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Topic Started: Jan 11 2005, 08:08 PM (1,329 Views)
Rory
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oh,. and i live in London, England.
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Das
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Rory
January 11, 2005 09:15 PM
oh,. and i live in London, England.

I live in oregon - the western coast of the united states-. Things are totaly different here.
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January 12, 2005 02:21 AM
Rory
January 11, 2005 09:15 PM
oh,. and i live in London, England.

I live in oregon - the western coast of the united states-. Things are totaly different here.

I honestly don;t think it matters where you live, just the people you grow up with, and your relationship with them.

i know my best friends pretty well. in some cases, almost as well as i know myself. thats why i can feel 100% comfortable with them, and do whatever i want with them. however, with some people, i'll barely be able to shake their hand withoit feeling slightly uncomfortable (i shake everyone's hand when i meet them).
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January 11, 2005 08:34 PM
joe-hpt
January 11, 2005 07:16 PM
So a girl saying another girl is hot is wierd too you know.

I've always thought a girl saying another girl is hot... is hot. :P

You almost have it.

Guys think its good when girl says it to a girl. Doesn't mean girls do. Hence why guys have problem when a guy says it to them. Basically its double standards
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I think it all boils down to how you were grown up and how you are influenced. I'm not going to call a guy hot, because I'm not a alternative thinker. Society seems to now all be about "what will they think?".
I'm not going to call a guy hot, I'll probably say he looks cool and sometimes I've said he looks good.
This doesn't mean I'm gay... or sometimes me and my friends will mess around and say stuff that might be considered gay.

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i have no problems whatsoever about saying matthew mconahae is hot.

that man is friggen amazing. i am sttraight...but man if i was gay i would hit on him...hell id hit on him now just to get a response from him.

i cant wait for his new ACTION movie to come out. the man does good action movies what can i say
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Rory
January 11, 2005 08:05 PM
SkItZo
January 12, 2005 01:45 AM
Guys i feel are less open about such comments than the ladies. If you notice, girls can easily hug another girl without much problem, but when it comes to guys making contact....errm...yeah not exactly a great picture.

haha, you haven;t seen me with my friends. we are always huggin because we are great friends.

I hug guys all the time, we're friends. Nothing wrong with that.
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Rory
January 11, 2005 07:27 PM
jmanz21
January 12, 2005 02:21 AM

I live in oregon - the western coast of the united states-. Things are totaly different here.

I honestly don;t think it matters where you live, just the people you grow up with, and your relationship with them.

No, we have an inordinate number of ignorant [insert plural politically correct term here] in Oregon.
If you're anywhere outside of Portland, Eugene, or Ashland, you're pushing your luck just going out at night with nice hair and clothes if you're a guy.
That could mean you're queer, or it could lead to drunks mistaking your for a girl, etc.
I can't even tell you how many times some [insert politically correct term here] has checked me out from across the bar or walking up the street behind me, only to get fully irate and even threatening upon finding out I was male.
Don't really get that since I cut off my long, curly, and dare I say sexy hair. :r
So, it's a societal thing, but also a regional one as well.
You can find non-ignorant-homophobic-racist-fratboy-wannabees around here, but you have to search for them or miraculously happen upon them, all while trying not to get your ass kicked for being "diff'ernt".

Most heterosexual males, including religious types who claim to be opposed to such things, are turned on by bisexual girls and lesbians, despite the whole lesbians not being interested in men thing, which is confusing on the surface, but when you realize how simpleminded males are, makes perfect sense. :rofl:
Combine that with the (often violent) repression males experience during childhood and you get the explanation of why it's not only ok but even "cool" for females to refer to each other as "hot", and pretty much the opposite for males to do it.
Males can't hug, hold hands, cry, wear certain colors, etc. etc. so they sure as hell can't say another guy is hot, or even compliment another guy on the clothes he's wearing, for the most part.
Females generally don't have to be concerned about such things, though I'm sure they have their own problems as well.

Many males, though probably not most, will grow out of that and will feel comfortable expressing such things, regardless of their sexuality.
Though very few would use the term "hot" still, unless in answer to somebody else's "Do you think so and so is hot" type question.

I think part of that comes down to natural aesthetics.
One of my ex's was taking some art class that explained what I'd always felt, which is that women are more naturally attractive due to their.. roundness.
Humans and other animals find round things appealing.
Scientists speculate that this is why the majority of babies, whether human, dog, cat, or whatever, are so round.
It's a survival mechanism to help their parents find them more attractive so they're less likely to abandon them, etc.
And the bodies of human females are essentially made up of some number of spheres, half-spheres, and transitions from one to another, making them generally far more appealing than the angular bodies of males, even to other females.

So, it's not necessarily about saying another guy is "hot", but also about thinking it in the first place.
Societal influences don't mean much if you don't find them attractive to begin with.
I'm not gay, or even bisexual, at least as far as I know*, but I do find some men attractive when compared to most, and I wouldn't think twice about telling them as much, or discussing it with friends, though that wasn't the case when I was younger and had to deal with the intimidation and other nonsense.
But I've yet to come across even a single guy that I could honestly say I thought was "hot".
Whereas, I could probably name 1000 women I think are hot, including most of my female friends. :lol:

And Iostream, you told me if you were gay you'd be all over me.
Now I have to worry about competition from some famous actor? :/


*I believe all people (or at least the vast majority) are naturally bisexual from birth and heterosexuality is something that's learned by example and various forms of coercion.
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Ereshkigal
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I was just going to say I live in Oregon and know many guys who hug as a greeting (straight ones as well as gay ones)...but Phrank touched on it: the issue is I live in Portland and go to school downtown :lol:

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*I believe all people (or at least the vast majority) are naturally bisexual from birth and heterosexuality is something that's learned by example and various forms of coercion.


Reminds me of the what is it...Kinsey scale? Where everyone is born sort of 'neutral' and most people stray to one side or the other, very few are 100% straight or gay, but most fall in the middle.
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Darn, I was just up in Portland for a week.
*PhranK remembers how "hot" Ereshkigal is :r

Ah, well..

Yeah, I think there was something like that from Kinsey.
Been awhile since I read all that human sexuality stuff.
Probably since before you were born. >_<
:'(
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Das
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Yea now I know I am not the only one in the forest with the sate tree of moss. Go Oregon.
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January 11, 2005 11:57 PM
Darn, I was just up in Portland for a week.
*PhranK remembers how "hot" Ereshkigal is  :r

Ah, well..

Yeah, I think there was something like that from Kinsey.
Been awhile since I read all that human sexuality stuff.
Probably since before you were born.  >_<
:'(

Phrank must not have a very good memory in his old age if that is how he remembers me ;)

I studied it a little in high school but nothing serious...Perhaps I'll take some classes on it though, it's a fitting anthropology subject.

*PhranK didn't want to make an off-topic post, so he edited yours to point out that he may be old, but he never forgets a pretty face. ; )[/color]
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Rory
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mmm, phrank always makes good points... damn you :P

i guess i wouldn't really fit in around your way then, pink clothes and all :D
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Only guys I've ever called "hot" are boyfriends or friends :P rarely will I use the term, I tend to say cute or handsome when it comes to guys.

I pretty much agree with PhranK's points and think he's probably very accurate.

I don't see anything with guys saying a guy is hot, same with girls. No need for double standards, maybe it's just because they're insecure *shrugs* I think to freak out because a guy calls you hot is rather odd and to me it says they are insecure about their sexuality in some form or another, I called ticlo that and he never freaked out (probably cos he knows it's the truth :P) whereas my friend did (long time ago - he's fine with that sort of thing now). I do know my friend has issues and no longer does and ever since he has no problem being told he's hot, cute, handsome, etc by any guy.

Just my opinion though, I see no reason for freaking out over things like this, it's like presuming guys who hug are gay - so silly, I feel sorry for those folk :/ deprived of friendly huggles! :(
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phrank ur a good guy...but man...have u seen dazed and confused? or even that part in reign of fire when matthew mconahae beats the crap out of that guy? the guys is amazing.

i rather dislike close minded people because they are the ones who hold back inovation and normally lots of other evolution of our society. so this is why i gave that up and i am comfortable enough with myself to say whether or not a guy is hot or not. i truly have no problem. i am not bisexual nor am i homosexual but i do see baeuty in all forms
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