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| Does Bush mislead the American public?; Yes I know a political thread | |
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| Dennis | Nov 19 2005, 02:14 PM Post #16 |
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I think you're referring to Palestine, Aaron.
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| Special Forces | Nov 20 2005, 11:32 AM Post #17 |
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Do you remember the many months preceeding the war in Iraq? I certainly do. And I think some peace talks come to mind. Let's start with the UN. We gave them the intelligence to look at and showed the movement of weapons (illigal weapons) across the country of Iraq. So the UN decided to send UN weapons inspectors in. Wait a minute no they didn't. Saddam stopped them and didn't allow them in until he was pressed with the threat of war. So what does that tell us? That peace talks and doing things peacefully don't get things done in this case. So Bush did give diplomacy a chance, he used all his resources to allow the UN to resolve this in a peaceful manner. Of course when the UN is found corrupted and 3 top officials resign in the face of an investigation, it worries you what the UN's intentions really are. So Bush, knowing this, said it was time for the next step. The time for military force. Saddam was not going to peacefully resolve this, he thought he was going to war and he thought he was going to put up one hell of a fight. And as we all well know a year later Saddam was stuck in a rat hole saying "I'm the President of Iraq!" Heh, seems like he didn't pick up a newspaper recently. |
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| Stephen | Nov 20 2005, 02:55 PM Post #18 |
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I do remember the days before Iraq. I seem to remember a letter former President Carter wrote to the New York Times. Urging peace. He said we had not pursued all options before going to war. He was right. We went prematurely. There can be no arguement. All options were not pursued. They weren't. Blame the UN and bad information all you want, they didn't exhaust every option. |
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| Aaron | Nov 20 2005, 02:57 PM Post #19 |
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A blast from the past.
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Nothing was going to work, I like peacefull options but there is a point where we must draw a line it seemed or still seems clair that Saddam was not going to agree to anything. |
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| Typhoon Omi | Nov 20 2005, 03:00 PM Post #20 |
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Let me refer to this to explain my answer:
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| Émeraude-ZNS | Nov 20 2005, 03:02 PM Post #21 |
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What I mainly see is that he keeps doing speeches in which he does not say very much. If he suddenly DOES say something that has relevance, it's mostly just what the people like to hear. I think he underestimates the normal civilians about this. To me, it looks like he is acting when speaking in public, and doing his job behind the scenes of which we still don't know what exactly is going on. |
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| Stephen | Nov 20 2005, 03:10 PM Post #22 |
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Your talking about a guy that hid in a hole. There were steps above peace but below war that could have been tried. If Bush had really tried he could have had a better solution. This was more about oil and Daddy's mistakes when he was president. |
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| OcelotJay | Nov 20 2005, 09:17 PM Post #23 |
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Funny, but true.I've been reading up on the assassination 'attempts' and how they conveniantly failed. I find it interesting, what with the advances America had over Saddam, that not one attempt was ever successful. Not surprising considering he was a client of weapons trade. ![]() But then, I guess if he was assassinated, the allies would never have been able to strut their stuff in the same way and do their bully routine to make the world stand to attention. Quote of the day:
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| DJ Fire | Nov 20 2005, 11:12 PM Post #24 |
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Q: Does Bush mislead the American public? The answer is easy in two simple words A: He did
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| mr kittles69 | Nov 21 2005, 12:16 AM Post #25 |
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grr!!! stinky conformist!! at least give a reason why other than acting like a conformist!
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| Aaron | Nov 21 2005, 04:30 PM Post #26 |
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A blast from the past.
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Look at Rory's Tachyon's and My post (which I orgionaly stated) is that Every polotication misleads the public in one way or another.
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| Stephen | Nov 21 2005, 05:29 PM Post #27 |
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There's a difference between misleading and fabricating lies. Clinton lied lied lied about monica until they had enough evidence. Clinton's lie hurt his family and reputation. Bush lie got people killed. |
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| Aaron | Nov 21 2005, 05:34 PM Post #28 |
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A blast from the past.
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Let me ask How did bush lie about the WMDs? We gave Saddam the WMDs back in the Catter Admistration I beleave. Back then it was to be used for peacefull things, Saddam went crazy used it how he was not supose to, got close to making a superweapon but was discovered,...., Bush Sr never finish what he said he would do about Iraq, Saddam did not abide to the agreement he had with the UN, UN failed to do anything, US interveined at the olny possibaly way to unforchany which was war IMHO and studtys on this Saddam would not of backed down by any other means. |
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| Special Forces | Nov 21 2005, 05:40 PM Post #29 |
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OK, so you tell me what we could have done. I think of nothing. We tried the UN, weapons inspectors, asking Saddam. Not only are you talking about a guy who hid in a hole your talking about a guy who is a dictator. He didn't get to be a dictator with peace talks. ![]() The only way he was going to come was in our custody in a hole in Iraq, which did happen. So your not talking about oil or whatever you want to thing George Bush's motives are which are mostly wrong. Blame Bush this blame Bush that. Peace doesn't persuade everyone, just like asking people to stop blowing themselves up they aren't going to as much as you like. If it's between two countries where differences arise diplomacy may work. When you're talking to a dictator who thinks he can do whatever the hell he wants with his weapons, peace isn't going to work. Like someone said we had to draw the line somewhere. Think about this for a second. If there was a convicted murderer and a cop and then a gun about 30 feet from the both of them. Are you going to let him go grab the gun and do what he did before which is murder people or are you going to stop him before he can get his hands on that gun? I think you're going to stop him before he hurts anyone. Same thing lies true with Saddam except put Saddam in that position with murderer. |
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| Stephen | Nov 21 2005, 06:18 PM Post #30 |
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Castro's a dictator and has been rumored to have weapons, why didn't we invade Cuba? My solution would have been simple pursue peace, use the allies, put more and more pressure on the UN to do its job and keep it up over the months to come. I think you can see where I'm going, don't go to war. Wait him out and let him die. Or plant some assassins to take him out. The problem is the Bush Administration was looking for a reason to go to war, everyone's afraid of nukes. Oh wow! looks like Sadam, in addition to a bunch of other countries has nukes. Let's motivate everyone into going to war by saying he has nukes. Do you see my problem with that logic? By that logic why weren't several other countries invaded. The difference is Iraq had something they wanted. Oil, Revenge, whatever. It was more of looking for a reason to invade then actually having one. That's what so disturbs me. I see no valid reason for war period. None. Half the world whether we know about or not, has nukes. There are plenty of looney tune dicators who could shoot off a nuke any day, so why do we focus on one. Why sadam. When we still had no Osama. When Castro is still in power. When the MiddleEast was still in conflict. The reason was there is no reason. Bush wanted war, he made his excuse and he got war. And he got caught. But we're so bright, we elect him again. Oh what a brave new world we live in. :rolleyes: |
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Funny, but true.
Look at Rory's Tachyon's and My post (which I orgionaly stated) is that Every polotication misleads the public in one way or another.
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