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What Happened To....; MUST READ
Topic Started: Feb 1 2006, 07:03 AM (1,355 Views)
Prince_Charming
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Okay, I am 17 and sick and tired of watching Rap videos...everytime I see one with a 17-25 year old female shakin her a$z half naked, all up in the camera, I wanna scream....and I am african american!!!!

Like Pink says in her new song! What happened to tha first woman president...she dancin in the video next to 50 cent!

OMG! Females please listen to me...Don't degrade yourself for these sex crazed people.

Music and the world today, has completely gone down, and if it is bad now, I am scared what my children are gonna face.

I just wanna know if there is a girl our there who still has that desire and dream to be the first woman president!....

Just wanted to speak my mind lol...Maybe I should get a LJ lol

But I would like to hear other peoples views on the whole Media and women degrading...lol
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Indeed. I wonder how many of the upper class socially elite that have a chance of being president come to this forum.

Its just what happens when you leave a TV to babysit a child I guess.
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Hmm, well, I agree that videos and popular "music" have become pretty rediculous and are a bad influence in general, but I don't particularly have a problem with girls "shakin' it" or wanting to.
Of course, I'm for legalizing prostitution, polygamy, and various other things you might disagree with too though.
I'd love it if we finally got a female president, whether as sexually repressed and overly religious as the typical politician or not.
I don't really find any connection between whether somebody dances or whatever for excitement, entertainment, or money, especially when they're young, and being qualified for any specific job.
I wouldn't fault the girls for it, except maybe for being involved with such poor videos for poor music, but I do think the video producers and MTV and the like should show a bit more class and maybe consider the effect they're having on kids, or could have on kids, since they probably shouldn't be watching half of them anyway, as they probably shouldn't be watching the Girls Gone Wild advertisements that are a little excessive, but at least those are pretty much only on late at night.
But, yeah.. there are more important things to worry about than sex and sexuality or using the proper fork at dinner, especially as far as the presidency is concerned.
We need to get some non-rich, non-elitist, non-lawyer, "normal" folks in office anyway.
I'd be much more worried about all the anorexia and such that other TV and movies and magazines and stuff put out there for girls to see, since they're more likely to be influenced by them, and it's much worse than making them want to "shake it". :/
But, theoretically, with good parenting, neither should be much of an issue.
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I have no desire to become a president or a prime minister (in my case). I'm just not into politics that much, but I definitely would not go degrade myself like these women are doing. It's disgusting, really it is. Their values are all backwards and as it continues it's damaging society. Regardless of parenting, it is always going to be received by some children. There will always be an audience, and there will always be girls shaking themselves to get close to the nearest rap artist or try to gain some sort of fame through all the wrong ways. There is no art to it, and I'd bet it eats away at many of these women's minds. Kind of like some strippers. It may seem glamorous, but there are always people treating these women like they're worthless. This is essentially what they are doing: making themselves worthless. And how is that good for their self-esteem?

Anyway, I think it's hard for women to go into politics. For one, many women don't take much interest in it, but it also has to do with the amount of men crowding it that it's not very appealing. I doubt there will be a woman president within the next 15-20 years. Here in Canada we had a woman prime minister, but that didn't even last long. Although at the rate we're going with elections, who knows we may get another in a few years. :rolleyes:
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Yeh! What happened to girls interested in a good education, a good life and a good home?
All girls want to do these days it shake it in front of a camera or something. I mean it's just wrong.

I have no intention of becoming a prime minister, president or something because I just can't stand politics! Haha!
Nah I wanna become an author. Which I suppose includes some politics but I'm steering clear of the shaking it type job
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What makes you think that just because they do those videos and stuff (or *gasp* adult videos and stuff) that they aren't educated or don't want to be educated?
A lot of girls enjoy it and/or see it as an easy way to make money, to pay for college even, so as long as they don't find it degrading, I don't think it's that bad.
I'd rather have my daughter shaking her ass in some video than doing lots of other things, including being a used car or insurance salesperson or politician or CEO or whatever, in a nice conservative outfit, if she'd be doing anything in one of those positions that I consider unethical, which probably most in the fields I listed and many others do on a regular basis.
I'd probably be more proud of her if she was a hooker addicted to crack than if she was any of the current US government officials. :lol:
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Alot of our music now adays is pretty bad and sometimes just obsene. Then again, some things are just the way humans are. We need to look more toward God, and our morals. This will save our society, but so far, it seems to be going downhill.
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Stephen
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I just endured the death of music by watching that horrid trapped in a closet thing. Most of these music videos are ridiculous. They either:

1. Flaunt Sex
2. Flaunt a depressed or violent mood. A lot of very dark music videos I've caught my sister watching
3. Flaunt Profanity.

What happened to when music was music?
Now to me, it seems like noise. Either they scream or they or they rap, now some rap isn't bad, but the ones with excess profanity bothers me for some reason, or they sound highly depressed. :/
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Looking toward "God and our morals" is what led to this sort of thing, and leads to almost all wars, and probably the majority of all conflict, especially if you factor religion into the overpopulation issues, which themselves invariably lead to conflicts.
Any time you attempt to repress human nature, it causes rebellion in one form or another, often (if not usually) leading to worse behavior than you were trying to repress to begin with.
Oppression tends to eventually lead to results similar to repression.
Ie: The excessive nature of the "free love" attitude of the 60's and 70's was a direct result of the general sexual repression, as well as the oppression of women by those espousing "God and morals" in the preceding decades.
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Stephen
February 1, 2006 04:27 PM
I just endured the death of music by watching that horrid trapped in a closet thing. Most of these music videos are ridiculous. They either:

1. Flaunt Sex
2. Flaunt a depressed or violent mood. A lot of very dark music videos I've caught my sister watching
3. Flaunt Profanity.

What happened to when music was music?
Now to me, it seems like noise. Either they scream or they or they rap, now some rap isn't bad, but the ones with excess profanity bothers me for some reason, or they sound highly depressed.  :/

:lol: I agree with that totally. However I love "Trapped in a closet." I do not disagree with you that it is the worse piece of work man has ever created, but it is also very funny, without trying to be.

As far as girls "degrading" themselve's, well that has more to do with opinions. Some coincider it a form of artistic expression, some coincider it a form of dance, and obviously the people who coincider it degrading aren't the people you see in the videos.

I personally usually listen to whatever sounds good to me, unless I find it offending. For the most part profanity dosn't bother me though, so I'm not offended too easily.
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Spurius
February 1, 2006 08:53 PM
As far as girls "degrading" themselve's, well that has more to do with opinions. Some coincider it a form of artistic expression, some coincider it a form of dance, and obviously the people who coincider it degrading aren't the people you see in the videos.

I kind of agree with this, but the people who do it, don't always think it's degrading at the moment. I think it is a gradual thing that eventually takes it's toll at some point for some people. Or that some of these girls wear a mask (not literally) to hide themselves and pretend that shaking their body parts at a man is glamorous, when really they may be someone else beneath.
Of course some of this is speculating, apart from cases where I've seen people who do this sort of business and react this way because of it.
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I completely agree with you, prince. All I see when I turn on MTV 2 nowadays is a girl dancing around some rapper. I'm tired of all these rappers talking about just stealing, drugs, sex, or violence. That is why I stick with Rock and Roll.
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Stephen
February 1, 2006 04:27 PM
I just endured the death of music by watching that horrid trapped in a closet thing. Most of these music videos are ridiculous. They either:

1. Flaunt Sex
2. Flaunt a depressed or violent mood. A lot of very dark music videos I've caught my sister watching
3. Flaunt Profanity.

What happened to when music was music?
Now to me, it seems like noise. Either they scream or they or they rap, now some rap isn't bad, but the ones with excess profanity bothers me for some reason, or they sound highly depressed. :/

*Applause* well said. I'm a pianist: I play a lot of classical pieces and some of these newer songs make me wince.
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February 1, 2006 05:01 PM
Looking toward "God and our morals" is what led to this sort of thing, and leads to almost all wars, and probably the majority of all conflict, especially if you factor religion into the overpopulation issues, which themselves invariably lead to conflicts.
Any time you attempt to repress human nature, it causes rebellion in one form or another, often (if not usually) leading to worse behavior than you were trying to repress to begin with.
Oppression tends to eventually lead to results similar to repression.
Ie: The excessive nature of the "free love" attitude of the 60's and 70's was a direct result of the general sexual repression, as well as the oppression of women by those espousing "God and morals" in the preceding decades.

My opinion is just the opposite.

It was the abandonment of those morals from the 50s, in following decades that have lead to an increasingly onscene and profane environment in our entertainment industry and everywhere else. The "Tune In, Turn On, and Drop Out" lifestyle has snowballed for almost 50-years now, picking up momentum along the way.

The majority of conflict is started by greed and lust for power, plain and simple. Not religion. Just because the greed is masked as religion doesn't change the fact that most war is all about robbing your neighbor. That's why I don't blame Christians for the Vatican's Inquisition, or Muslims for the hundred-and-one Jihads going on in various parts of the world. The common religious man and woman don't want to repress anyone or force their views on others. They just want you (not you personally, just people in general) to leave them alone and let them live their lives and raise their families the way they want to.

I would argue that human nature is rebellion. Human beings, and it seems Americans in particular, thrive on rebellion. Everyone has a "better way", and nobody likes the other guys' system. That's why no matter whose in power anywhere, there is always a vocal and angry opposition trying to unseat that ruling authority.

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February 2, 2006 05:30 AM
The common religious man and woman don't want to repress anyone or force their views on others. [...]

That entirely depends upon where you live, both regionally and nationally. In some countries that's entirely untrue due to it being a predominantly religious country, in others it is because it's more secular, but for many it's 50/50 (or perhaps more 65/35 for western countries) as it ultimately comes down to where you live. Some places I visit I find people of a religious nature or lifestyle are pretty laid back, others they're in your face and stoning you for saying Christ or showing facial skin. :eh:
I agree with you on the point of rebellion. I do think it's human nature however repression and oppression can fan the flames and make it worse. It's natural for your teenager to get rebellious from time to time, or maybe even their entire teenage years, but if you repress or oppress them in anyway you can be sure you'll only make things worse. If you're worried about sex talk to them, don't thrust unnecessary anger, burden or cruelty onto them because if all you do is wave authority around and ignore the fact that they have a mind of their own and deserve the respect to be spoken to like a human being, they're more likely to go ahead and become...loose, far worse than them sleeping with their boy/girlfriend as they intended in the first place. >_<
Then again I'm someone who goes against the popular parenting approach of 'I say jump...'
It's very true that the 60's and 70's excessive nature of "free love" was due to sexual repression. It's also true that they abandoned their morals, however it's hardly surprising. The 50's (and indeed the decades before) attitude towards sexuality was ridiculous, and you can still see some of its effects today in Britain; mention sex around half the population and they'll change the subject, go red and probably start an argument over chocolate eclairs. :ermm:
Unfortunately it went from one extreme to the other, which is rarely a good thing. :/ Still, it led to the liberation of women in many ways, and helped change the approach that was taken towards sex, which had previously been 'do it and you'll catch every STD under the Sun'.
So while morals may have been adandoned, they weren't necessarily the right or best morals for the human condition.

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We need to look more toward God, and our morals. This will save our society, but so far, it seems to be going downhill.

...Bearing in mind that not everyone on this planet believes in God, or indeed the same God? :r
Morals also vary from human to human. Looking to either so independently in the context of global harmony leads to these issues arising, and indeed finding common morals to share is difficult. Responsibility is part of what we need to get a grip of, but even that's debatable. :/

But yeah, back to music. :unsure:
I'm pretty much not into much of modern music, it makes my ears bleed. And I personally have no huge qualms with women 'shaking it', but there is the concern of what it does to influential kids. This is where responsibility is needed on both sides; parents and media.
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