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Topic Started: Jan 12 2007, 06:48 PM (2,147 Views)
mcrzbiggestfan28
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who here iz religous?im kinda sorta i mean sum days i believe sum days im juss lyk i wonder...i have gone emo b4 but im not nemore....my religous bff talked me outta it.....
but im christian...
wat religon r u or r u athiest?
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JosephY
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what's this religon you speak of? is it a new kind of polygon? how many sides does it have? :P

no, i'm not religious, i'm an atheist
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Curst Saden
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Technically, I'm Lutheran. I believe in God and Jesus, but i don;t believe that you have to be christian to get into heaven. also believe it is evil to convert people just to "save" them.
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Curst Saden
January 12, 2007 06:48 PM
Technically, I'm Lutheran. I believe in God and Jesus, but i don;t believe that you have to be christian to get into heaven. also believe it is evil to convert people just to "save" them.

Wouldn't that mean you're saying it's evil to help people?
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JosephY
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how exactly is converting people helping them?
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I lately have been methodist, but for a long time I was a witch. I am very religious, though.
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Zetah
January 12, 2007 11:49 PM
Curst Saden
January 12, 2007 06:48 PM
Technically, I'm Lutheran.  I believe in God and Jesus, but i don;t believe that you have to be christian to get into heaven.  also believe it is evil to convert people just to "save" them.

Wouldn't that mean you're saying it's evil to help people?

Though I'd say evil is a bit strong, the amount of pressure some individuals place on people - the harassment, the guilt trips, the community effects - can be quite intimidating and even harmful (emotionally, socially or otherwise). In such instances I think conversion loses meaning and becomes a malicious attempt to thrust beliefs upon others and impose on their person. In those instances, I'd say the means more than negates the point. If you have to manipulate people to save them I'd say you're sinning on quite a few levels.

Personally I'm not a religious man. I'm spiritual but I don't belong to any organised belief.
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Zetah
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JosephY
January 12, 2007 06:50 PM
how exactly is converting people helping them?

Well what do you think the point of converting them in the first place is...

Well in some religions a person benefits if they convert more people, but that's different.
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JosephY
January 12, 2007 06:50 PM

Zetah
January 12, 2007 06:49 PM
Curst Saden
January 12, 2007 06:48 PM
Technically, I'm Lutheran.  I believe in God and Jesus, but i don;t believe that you have to be christian to get into heaven.  also believe it is evil to convert people just to "save" them.

Wouldn't that mean you're saying it's evil to help people?
how exactly is converting people helping them?

I'll answer that.

Curst is saying that it's "evil" just because the person receiving the help might not consider it as help. But if, for instance, the doctor prescribed a medicine for you to help you get better, and you didn't like it because the medicine tastes bitter, does that make the doctor evil?

If converting people is never a help, like JosephY stated, then what's the point of telling anyone anything? People would just select a random belief and stick to it forever, and would be too stubborn to listen to anybody. There's no point of advising a person at all if this was the case, because that's not considered helping. Anything the person believes that has even the slightest difference from what he or she is told would be useless. What's the point of communication, then?
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dan the opossum
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I am a Methodist and have been for three to five years now, but before I was Lutheren. We moved because my mom not liking the pastor or something. X0
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I'm considered an atheist but I'm open to the idea of there being a god at some point in time so some people call me agnostic. :)
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cvn-tv-dip
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Judging from how the thread maker was a newcomer that just spontaneously posted this, I don't think there's reason to keep the thread in Community Chat since it didn't have a clear intention in the first place; it should be moved to Java Hut or locked.
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Though I'd say evil is a bit strong, the amount of pressure some individuals place on people - the harassment, the guilt trips, the community effects - can be quite intimidating and even harmful (emotionally, socially or otherwise). In such instances I think conversion loses meaning and becomes a malicious attempt to thrust beliefs upon others and impose on their person. In those instances, I'd say the means more than negates the point. If you have to manipulate people to save them I'd say you're sinning on quite a few levels.


Exactly. I believe that as christians we should set an example showing what it is like to be good people, as opposed to showing people "the true faith". Perhaps a little encouragement into christiaity may be harmless, but i do consider it a sin to drill it into people's heads.

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I'll answer that.

Curst is saying that it's "evil" just because the person receiving the help might not consider it as help. But if, for instance, the doctor prescribed a medicine for you to help you get better, and you didn't like it because the medicine tastes bitter, does that make the doctor evil?

If converting people is never a help, like JosephY stated, then what's the point of telling anyone anything? People would just select a random belief and stick to it forever, and would be too stubborn to listen to anybody. There's no point of advising a person at all if this was the case, because that's not considered helping. Anything the person believes that has even the slightest difference from what he or she is told would be useless. What's the point of communication, then?


Here we go again................... (before i go any further, i would advise everyone to brace yourselves. The posts are going to get REALLY big after this one).

Doctors perscribing medicine, eh? Well, who the heck made you the doctor in the first place? What if i think that that medicine is a little to strong for my own good, eh?

Converting people isn't help because it just annoys people, or brainwashes them into thinking a several-thousand year old book will solve all of their problems. That second paragraph of yours seems to be indicating that there is no point in any sort of communication whatsoever if we don't listen to you. Well, i've heard you out and decided it's not my thing.

So in essance, you people took the class at medical school a little too seriously.
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Okay, I was holding back because I didn't want to be rude on forums. But now I'm going to put honesty first.

I think you're really gullible.

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Doctors perscribing medicine, eh? Well, who the heck made you the doctor in the first place? What if i think that that medicine is a little to strong for my own good, eh?


So just because you think it's right, it's right? Then there's no point of anyone saying anything to help you when someone finds you going astray.

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Converting people isn't help because it just annoys people, or brainwashes them into thinking a several-thousand year old book will solve all of their problems. That second paragraph of yours seems to be indicating that there is no point in any sort of communication whatsoever if we don't listen to you. Well, i've heard you out and decided it's not my thing.


Before we even get to my personal beliefs (if needed for this discussion), when did I say that?

See, you manipulate everything I say to make it an attack on you. It's not because I discriminate against you, but everything you've said that I read was always like this.

Converting people is basically convincing people. People have ears and voices for a reason. They're allowed to convince. Whether you agree or not is your decision. But that doesn't mean you can't attempt to convince.

You simply don't get the concept. I used the "someone drowning in a lake" analogy and I used another one to simplify the matters even more. And you always misunderstand my message and respond, "What if I don't believe so?" Do you think someone that cares about you is not even going to try at least once just because you don't believe so? Maybe you will after you hear, or maybe you won't.
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Baptist. ;)
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