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Bots, lol
Topic Started: May 6 2007, 10:22 PM (1,789 Views)
Dropkicksidekick
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I was wondering.... lol, how in the world can a bot figure out a registration code but can't figure out a question are you human yes or no?

That's funny to think about. :D
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Dennis
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Because a registration code doesn't require human intelligence and creativity unless it is very well done.
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Dropkicksidekick
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Well most registration sheets make all the bot questions yes or no and almost all of the answers are to the left... it shouldn't be that hard to get through that :/

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Image validation would be the cats.....
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Moved to IF Discussion
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INSTEAD of the image validation, wouldn’t it be smart then to just have a drop down menu with like 10 numbers and then a random question will say “Choose number 4” – then the person registering must pick the #4 in the drop down box.

Would that be better then image validation?

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Because a registration code doesn't require human intelligence and creativity unless it is very well done.


But I thought image validation does require human intelligence because we have to recognize the numbers in the image. How could a bot do that…?
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Ben
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Algorithms for answering any sort of "security question" can be developed given enough time and resources. The only difficulty lies in the complexity of those algorithms.

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INSTEAD of the image validation, wouldn’t it be smart then to just have a drop down menu with like 10 numbers and then a random question will say “Choose number 4” – then the person registering must pick the #4 in the drop down box.

It'd be pretty easy for someone to write a script that detects the digit "4" in the question and "4" in the option value.

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But I thought image validation does require human intelligence because we have to recognize the numbers in the image. How could a bot do that…?

You'd be surprised. You ever wonder why the more complicated CAPTCHAs (that's what those images are called) look weird? It's because there's a technology for scanning text documents called OCR--computers will scan a piece of paper and recognise the characters by their shape.

Although it is rather complex, it's possible for people to create computer programs that analyse a given CAPTCHA image and generate the appropriate string of characters to get past the CAPTCHA.

That's why most people rely on security through obscurity. My blog, for instance, uses a simple math question. It's perfectly possible for someone to build a bot capable of interpreting the question and producing the correct answer, of course, but it works for me because my site isn't that popular (so there's less bots visiting it) and not many bots, of those that visit it, are equipped to get past this particular method.

Brandon put a lot of time into bot-registration prevention methods for ZetaBoards. The reason why you don't see them is simple: they're invisible. :) Invisible methods are better because they don't disturb real humans, and it's harder for bot-makers to combat these methods if they have no clue what they are.
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I saw on one forum, they had a system that made you do a maths sum before registering.

Example, What is 2 + 3? then you would need to type the answer before it allowed registration.

Would that be better?

Edit: Just saw Brians maths post lmao
Edit: Ben* not Brian >.>
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Ben
May 7, 2007 03:26 PM
Algorithms for answering any sort of "security question" can be developed given enough time and resources. The only difficulty lies in the complexity of those algorithms.

Yes, but these bots are designed to get pass IPB boards. If IF boards had something like another required thing to do when registering, bots wouldn't be able to get pass it. Even if someone eventually noticed it and specifically wanted bots to go on IF forums, it would take a while and not that many would have the update. So why can't we have something like that until ZB is out...
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This is the mother of all spambots:
http://www.botmaster.net/more1/
If I had the money, I'd get one to reverse engeneer a trap for them :luna: if I could
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May 7, 2007 05:38 PM
Ben
May 7, 2007 03:26 PM
Algorithms for answering any sort of "security question" can be developed given enough time and resources.  The only difficulty lies in the complexity of those algorithms.

Yes, but these bots are designed to get pass IPB boards. If IF boards had something like another required thing to do when registering, bots wouldn't be able to get pass it. Even if someone eventually noticed it and specifically wanted bots to go on IF forums, it would take a while and not that many would have the update. So why can't we have something like that until ZB is out...

Right now we are focusing on the completion of ZetaBoards.

We might backport certain features to InvisionFree after ZetaBoards is released. However, we designed ZetaBoards to be a platform for future development.
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some of these bots seem like an awfull lot of effort has been put in to sell some pretty silly stuff. :lol:
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Like Viagra?
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People must have a lotttttt of time on their hands to spend time creating these screen letter scanning things. It's one thing if they're creating them and then selling them because then I know why they're doing it, but if they're just creating them for the heck of it, then what's their point with it; just to get on people's nerves? :O
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People must have a lotttt of time on their hands to create zetaboareds.....I mean it's not like they're getting paid.... :rolleyes:

/sarcasm

Same basic idea though
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