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| The State of the Skinners Adress.; LONG RANT AHEAD. | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Jun 7 2004, 04:05 PM (1,729 Views) | |
| Aaron-ZNR | Jun 7 2004, 04:05 PM Post #1 |
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The State of the Skinners Adress. All right.... I feel like a long rant is in order, so please listen. I'm really hoping I don't get banned for this... please try to pay attention, as I'm going to be touching upon some extremely important issues here, and I beg you to stay with me. I've wanted to make this rant for a while, and it all started when I beat .AF in a battle. His skin had very few gradients, and was made with a skin generator. I had taken a lot of time and effort making the best skin I possibly could. I was fine with that, and beating him by a margin of 5 votes seemed great at the time. The thing is, looking back on it, I should have thought about it a bit more. His skin had 2 gradients. Mine had 5. I had looked at every aspect of my skin, while AF's looked sloppily patched together. And while it didn't earn a {WOW}, I should have had a feeling that something was up when I won by a margin of ony 5 votes. The one that works the hardest should always come on top, that's something that should always be true. Well, anyhow, I ignored it. "I won, who cares?" I thought, not paying much attention to .AF after that. I won a couple more battles, and then decided to look at .AF again. When I looked at him, I was appalled at the state of his skins. He had begun a trend, using shapes haphazardly thrown around, and color schemes that I was ready to have seizures at. But what amazed me was his amount of {WOW}s. No skinner should have all of his skins {WOW}ed, unless they are all exceptional. You don't walk up to something that was made half assed and go "WOW! THAT ROCKS!", do you? No. If you say "Wow", that usually means it's something spectacular. That's why I was extremely confused at .AF's number of {WOW}s, with every skin he had becoming a {WOW}. None were exempt from the practice. Then, I decided to make a battle. It was Premades allowed, and Lightz joined it. Everywhere, even though there was none in the topic, I could hear people saying 'oh man... goe is gonna get whooped by .AF and Lightz'. It was as if they had completely forgotten that I had beaten .AF before. He isn't invincible, you know. And with that battle, I proved 2 things. Want to hear them?
The second one is something most people will argue, but it's true. I beat .AF and Lightz... and that would be something worthy of a "Holy crud.. good job man." I beat someone who was called 'unbeatable'. That IS a {WOW} situation. A member said that my skin is the first on the forums he had even the slightest desire to use. However, for over 14 hours, my skin was ignored by all the staff who replied in it, while .AF's got an easy ticket into the {WOW} forum. I couldn't understand it at all. If you beat a {WOW} skin, doesn't that mean you deserve the title of what you beat? And on top of that, I beat Eric! C'mon... beating someone the public calls unbeatable deserves a {WOW}, right? In order to get a {WOW}, I had to PM James with the skin. That was unnecessary. Having to PM someone is not needed for .AF. Even if he says the skin sucks, he still get's a {WOW}. I hold nothing against .AF as a person. The only thing I hold against anyone is the process in which people's skins are picked for the {WOW} forum. It's unfair, and this evidence shows it. .AF, while this isn't his fault at all, always get's a {WOW} now, even if he admittedly says the skin sucks. Now onto the second thing I have to adress: how we think of skinners. Earlier today, I looked through the 'best skinner' topic. Only 2 people said James. Only a handful of people said AgnosticAngel. No one said Cha0sandSin. We've gotton into a horribly bad habit... we're worshipping skinners like Almighty, Adamo, Theo, Cortez, and Eric. While they all are extremely good skinners in their own right, no one is looking at any other skinners. The only skinners that we seem to notice anymore are the big name ones. What about people like James, and me who spend time making every section of our skins count? What about people like BG.FX, who try as hard as they can to make their skins liked, and always fail? What about people like Hamtaro, who barely ever posts a skin, but always amazes? The public has a 2 second memory today, which is why no one ever remembers the old school yet good skinners like Hamtaro, tox0tes, and C&S. Finally, I have a little complaint about skin battles. I can't count how many times I've seen a big name skinner post a skin, and people immediately say 'you won'. Is there any end to the stupidity of people? Skins can be beaten, no matter how good they are. So why do you even bother to say 'oh you won', when it has no meaning at all? I apoligize if I offended anyone... but I felt someone needed to say this before the skinning world becomes too far into the depths of idiocy to get out alive. -Goeyoshi |
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| RagingFuryBlack | Jun 7 2004, 04:09 PM Post #2 |
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I agree Goe, this is starting to piss me off as well something needs to be done. Im so pissed right now im gonna leave it at this |
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| Phyrro | Jun 7 2004, 04:10 PM Post #3 |
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Ben for Dictator
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I can't even express my agreement in words. It's this that pushed me to stop skinning, and it's this that's pushing me to just leave, leave it all behind. There are no skinning gods. Yet you worship a few of them. Theo is a good skinner. I'll give him that. He works long and hard perfecting his skins, and he takes time to fit everything into place. Eric and almighty come in, put out a few skins chock full of EFS, and they're the new celebrities. I have nothing against those them, because they're my friends, but it's making me sick. |
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| Theo | Jun 7 2004, 04:13 PM Post #4 |
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your.... absolutly right.... Theres many skinners on this forum, many have proved themselves, many are still learning yet they do get treated differently, and in many parts they get treated unfairly. I can see where your coming from. Btw that skin you made... if I would of seen it i would of wowed it and good job on the win . I still think your won of the upcoming skinners and yes no one is unbeatable.
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| mac_graphics | Jun 7 2004, 04:15 PM Post #5 |
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Stealth, You will never see me coming!
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I agree the skins that i have spent the most time on (my themed skins) don't get WOWed but the ones of just pure grads do!! whatz up with that anyone can make a simple grad but it tames skill to make a themed skin |
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| Ignite | Jun 7 2004, 04:15 PM Post #6 |
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Agreed, and may I say it happens at every resource forum. Its normal for resource sites to go through it....I used to own an IPB resource site. Its tough, but SZ will go through this once in awhile. |
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| Ignite | Jun 7 2004, 04:17 PM Post #7 |
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Sorry for the double post if nobody replies, but Theo hit this right on the spot. This thread should be pinned, its important to know what us skinners go through.
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| Simon | Jun 7 2004, 04:18 PM Post #8 |
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bleh..
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I...just...agree with Goe
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| Robb | Jun 7 2004, 04:18 PM Post #9 |
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Man, for one, i dont ask for the WOW!'s, and i will be the first to admit that i am still new to skinning. I dont know why i get WOW!'s but maybe if you would post more than 2 or 3 skins a week you would have more than me. I have made 81 skins in little less than a month, how bout you?...and yes i know that you want all of your skins to be "perfect", but the fact is, all of them mostly are, except that you just dont poct ebough...i think most of my skins are quality, and while they are not perfect, they are still pretty dman good...I have no idea why youlike to resent me for that fact that i have gotten WOW after WOW that i havent asked for, i dont post that i want a WOW with my skin, and i dont even brag...so there is no reason to pick on me at all...:( |
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| Digital | Jun 7 2004, 04:19 PM Post #10 |
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By Jove!
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Hoqw true can you get goe!I have 1 wow.As i search through many forums advertizeing i had found 1 out of 20 boards had one of my skins on!Yet non had my one wow on. O_o |
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| RagingFuryBlack | Jun 7 2004, 04:20 PM Post #11 |
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Your missing the point guys, Its not about this skin, its about how everyone is treating 1 or two people as gods, when they just slap a few pretty efs gradients on their skins. Something needs to be done about this unfairness of the skin battles, and about a certain person who just does professional sets of skins to get 65 something wows....and then there are the wow skins that make my eyes explode. Some of them doent even make me say, wow thats so damn good. What the {Swear Word} ever happened to quality over quanity people? What the hell happened? |
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| Simon | Jun 7 2004, 04:21 PM Post #12 |
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bleh..
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I think to improve AF you should stop using the skin gen, as good as it is its still not ''true'' skinning O_o Otherwise like the other people said your basically putting EFS onto a quick base...quite simple really :huh: |
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| Digital | Jun 7 2004, 04:22 PM Post #13 |
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By Jove!
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yeah!gfx have it right cos they only wow if the graphic is good!Not because they are on a team or they are elite!Cos they know! B) |
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| Phyrro | Jun 7 2004, 04:23 PM Post #14 |
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This isn't really about you .AF. Ok....well....it sort of is, but it's the principal of the matter. The nublets get on, see a skin that is so overloaded on Enhanced Fancy {Swear Word} that it kills me, and say "i vote dis one cuz i like the swirlies and d gfx. dis guy is da bomb!!1!1!1!!!1". And I also get sick when I see a skinner put out skin after skin after skin with even trace amounts of EFS. It'd be nice to see these "gods" put out an OS skin every now and then. If they're so good, shouldn't their OS skins be as good as their EFS? And sometimes it's not even the EFS. It's just the name. "00h, dis ppl r vry poplar, so dey must be d best!!!!!". I think everyone should get an equal chance at being noticed, and seldom do. |
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| Robb | Jun 7 2004, 04:24 PM Post #15 |
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HEY, i would be perfectly fine with nomore WOW!'s i skin because i like to....like i said...i dont ask for them so dont even begin to be a brat tome....i dont say "Oh well, i think i need a wow" i just do what i like to and that is it...i dont want to be brought up anymore, because i feel that i am no excuse, i dont know if i am gettin treated fairly or better than everyone, and if i am i have no idea why....I have never really talked to any of the staff alot, and do not know any personally....youknow, i just try and make skins that people like...and from every one leses views, except for a few people, eeven someof the people that agree'd with Goe say my skins are great, i dontknow if they are and i dont expect to be treated bad for something i cant control...so dont put me in this. |
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. I still think your won of the upcoming skinners and yes no one is unbeatable.


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