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| The State of the Skinners Adress.; LONG RANT AHEAD. | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Jun 7 2004, 04:05 PM (1,736 Views) | |
| Aaron-ZNR | Jun 7 2004, 04:05 PM Post #1 |
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The State of the Skinners Adress. All right.... I feel like a long rant is in order, so please listen. I'm really hoping I don't get banned for this... please try to pay attention, as I'm going to be touching upon some extremely important issues here, and I beg you to stay with me. I've wanted to make this rant for a while, and it all started when I beat .AF in a battle. His skin had very few gradients, and was made with a skin generator. I had taken a lot of time and effort making the best skin I possibly could. I was fine with that, and beating him by a margin of 5 votes seemed great at the time. The thing is, looking back on it, I should have thought about it a bit more. His skin had 2 gradients. Mine had 5. I had looked at every aspect of my skin, while AF's looked sloppily patched together. And while it didn't earn a {WOW}, I should have had a feeling that something was up when I won by a margin of ony 5 votes. The one that works the hardest should always come on top, that's something that should always be true. Well, anyhow, I ignored it. "I won, who cares?" I thought, not paying much attention to .AF after that. I won a couple more battles, and then decided to look at .AF again. When I looked at him, I was appalled at the state of his skins. He had begun a trend, using shapes haphazardly thrown around, and color schemes that I was ready to have seizures at. But what amazed me was his amount of {WOW}s. No skinner should have all of his skins {WOW}ed, unless they are all exceptional. You don't walk up to something that was made half assed and go "WOW! THAT ROCKS!", do you? No. If you say "Wow", that usually means it's something spectacular. That's why I was extremely confused at .AF's number of {WOW}s, with every skin he had becoming a {WOW}. None were exempt from the practice. Then, I decided to make a battle. It was Premades allowed, and Lightz joined it. Everywhere, even though there was none in the topic, I could hear people saying 'oh man... goe is gonna get whooped by .AF and Lightz'. It was as if they had completely forgotten that I had beaten .AF before. He isn't invincible, you know. And with that battle, I proved 2 things. Want to hear them?
The second one is something most people will argue, but it's true. I beat .AF and Lightz... and that would be something worthy of a "Holy crud.. good job man." I beat someone who was called 'unbeatable'. That IS a {WOW} situation. A member said that my skin is the first on the forums he had even the slightest desire to use. However, for over 14 hours, my skin was ignored by all the staff who replied in it, while .AF's got an easy ticket into the {WOW} forum. I couldn't understand it at all. If you beat a {WOW} skin, doesn't that mean you deserve the title of what you beat? And on top of that, I beat Eric! C'mon... beating someone the public calls unbeatable deserves a {WOW}, right? In order to get a {WOW}, I had to PM James with the skin. That was unnecessary. Having to PM someone is not needed for .AF. Even if he says the skin sucks, he still get's a {WOW}. I hold nothing against .AF as a person. The only thing I hold against anyone is the process in which people's skins are picked for the {WOW} forum. It's unfair, and this evidence shows it. .AF, while this isn't his fault at all, always get's a {WOW} now, even if he admittedly says the skin sucks. Now onto the second thing I have to adress: how we think of skinners. Earlier today, I looked through the 'best skinner' topic. Only 2 people said James. Only a handful of people said AgnosticAngel. No one said Cha0sandSin. We've gotton into a horribly bad habit... we're worshipping skinners like Almighty, Adamo, Theo, Cortez, and Eric. While they all are extremely good skinners in their own right, no one is looking at any other skinners. The only skinners that we seem to notice anymore are the big name ones. What about people like James, and me who spend time making every section of our skins count? What about people like BG.FX, who try as hard as they can to make their skins liked, and always fail? What about people like Hamtaro, who barely ever posts a skin, but always amazes? The public has a 2 second memory today, which is why no one ever remembers the old school yet good skinners like Hamtaro, tox0tes, and C&S. Finally, I have a little complaint about skin battles. I can't count how many times I've seen a big name skinner post a skin, and people immediately say 'you won'. Is there any end to the stupidity of people? Skins can be beaten, no matter how good they are. So why do you even bother to say 'oh you won', when it has no meaning at all? I apoligize if I offended anyone... but I felt someone needed to say this before the skinning world becomes too far into the depths of idiocy to get out alive. -Goeyoshi |
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| Theo | Jun 7 2004, 04:24 PM Post #16 |
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Skins are changing the appeareance of your forum. You dont need an EFS for a nice skin You dont need a OSS style skin for a nice skin It depends how you make the skin and ill admit alot of skins now look the same are choppy ( rushed at time ) and just get wowed cause of the tile_back, and yes some of my skins even look choppy cause of efs, thats because I myself dont use them, but I try to make them appeal to more users though I dont like most of my skins tbh |
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| Lightz | Jun 7 2004, 04:26 PM Post #17 |
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Don't follow the trend, become the trendsetter
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First of all, I didn't WOW goeyoshi's skin because I'm leaving all the WOWing to the skin team. They have to do a specific step before WOWing your skins...and I didn't look through that yet. Second, I think using generators suck..sorry but thats how I feel about it. When you learn the CSS you'll become a true skinner. Lastly, EFS is the evolution of skinning. Everyone is going to have to deal with it. Yes, some people have taste for old school skins but that time is fading away IMO. But it will always be there. |
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| Aaron-ZNR | Jun 7 2004, 04:26 PM Post #18 |
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seek a newer world
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That's the problem. You take no TIME in your skins. You make a pretty grad, slap it on, add some color, and say 'OMG IT BEST'. I spent 2 days, at LEAST on every skin I do, even if it's for a skin battle against some n00b that joined 2 days ago. Very few skinners do that anymore. It's all about quantity, and we've forgotton the meaning of 'quality'. However, your argument is going to probably now be that 'all of my skins are quality'. You can go argue that all you like... and I'm sure you can get several people to back you. I'm going to ignore that. The fact is, I don't like your skins at all, and don't understand the superfluous amount of {WOW}s you have. |
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| itsonlybrad | Jun 7 2004, 04:27 PM Post #19 |
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nothing
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damn goe...you really hit the nail in tghe head with this one! this issue has been stiring in my head for the longest time but i failed to do anything about it. and its true, there are many skinners that only work on the main page to see how many wows they can get, when really, were making skins for people to use (if they decide to) not to raise our wow number.....and .AF when you said "maybe if you would submit more than 2 or 3 a week".....he does that because he takes time and effort on each and every skin, and i would know o have talked to him through AIM about his skins, and askin me to spot check, and then he spot checking, and no matter how good it is, he always goes the limit and trys to make it better, not just the mainpage..that wa the point in the post ..i love what your doin goe!btw..thanks for mentioning me |
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| Simon | Jun 7 2004, 04:29 PM Post #20 |
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bleh..
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The thing is in my opinion OSS can look extremely good (as can ) however OSS is not getting a look in any more. OSS skin clan tried to 'fight back' but due to all of them being busy staff we dont have time to show the world what a real good quality OSS skin can look like, so im glad this topic was made, i invite you all to look in 'simple dark' and 'simple light' in the gallery...some of those skins own B) |
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| Quimby | Jun 7 2004, 04:33 PM Post #21 |
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dood
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What skin was that? And just because you beat Eric doesn't mean it automatically gets a WOW. We already know the voting is screwed up. :rolleyes: Props, you are a good skinner. I can't deny that. B) |
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| RagingFuryBlack | Jun 7 2004, 04:34 PM Post #22 |
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YO UR STILL MISSIN THE {Swear Word} POINT!!!! ITS NOT ABOUT OSS VS EFS.....ITS ABOUT SOME PEOPLE BEING TREATED AS GODS WHILE SOME OF THE TRUE TALENT GETS SHOVED AROUND LIKE DIRT. btw....if anyone has the set of jewles to ban goe for saying what he said, im not far behind him |
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| Angel | Jun 7 2004, 04:34 PM Post #23 |
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i put alot of time into my skins but only make a few skin i have got 2 wows but just cause big names make rushed skin doesnt mean they should get wows <_< |
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| Ignite | Jun 7 2004, 04:35 PM Post #24 |
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I think a lot of people understand where Goe is coming from. He does not deserved to be banned because of this issue. He and many others have proved a valuable point, and I think we should all soak it in. It will make us all better people and skinners.
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| Phyrro | Jun 7 2004, 04:35 PM Post #25 |
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Ben for Dictator
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I give up. I'm done. Finished. Skinning isn't what it used to be. It's not even skinning anymore. It's a competition of popularity and graphics. So I turn my back. This is done. |
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| RagingFuryBlack | Jun 7 2004, 04:35 PM Post #26 |
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finally, someone who understands....thanks angel |
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| Simon | Jun 7 2004, 04:35 PM Post #27 |
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bleh..
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Actually its about different people take or view on this topic, not just yours so please calm down. |
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| Lightz | Jun 7 2004, 04:36 PM Post #28 |
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Don't follow the trend, become the trendsetter
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.AF is recongnized because he stays on top the game. Hamtaro, goeyoshi and a few others who spend their time making their skins perfect come out with a skin like once in two weeks. The public like his skins and thats something you can't change and since he constantly gives them what they want of course hes gonna be "worshiped". Yes goeyoshi your skins are good and I'm proud of you that you beat me but if you don't stay on top of the game everyone is gonna turn to the person who is constantly making hot skins. |
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| RagingFuryBlack | Jun 7 2004, 04:36 PM Post #29 |
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well, now that we have lost quite possibbly the best skinner here to this, what do you all say that we find something that can help solve this huge problem here. |
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| Robb | Jun 7 2004, 04:39 PM Post #30 |
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Sleek-Style.com
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thank you lightz, and i do also love goes skins, like i said they are all nearly perfect, while mine are not....but im sorry for just trying to have fun and skin, i really didnt want to cause and trouble man, honest |
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..i love what your doin goe!

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