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The State of the Skinners Adress.; LONG RANT AHEAD.
Topic Started: Jun 7 2004, 04:05 PM (1,735 Views)
Aaron-ZNR
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The State of the Skinners Adress.

All right.... I feel like a long rant is in order, so please listen. I'm really hoping I don't get banned for this... please try to pay attention, as I'm going to be touching upon some extremely important issues here, and I beg you to stay with me.

I've wanted to make this rant for a while, and it all started when I beat .AF in a battle. His skin had very few gradients, and was made with a skin generator. I had taken a lot of time and effort making the best skin I possibly could. I was fine with that, and beating him by a margin of 5 votes seemed great at the time.

The thing is, looking back on it, I should have thought about it a bit more. His skin had 2 gradients. Mine had 5. I had looked at every aspect of my skin, while AF's looked sloppily patched together. And while it didn't earn a {WOW}, I should have had a feeling that something was up when I won by a margin of ony 5 votes. The one that works the hardest should always come on top, that's something that should always be true.

Well, anyhow, I ignored it. "I won, who cares?" I thought, not paying much attention to .AF after that. I won a couple more battles, and then decided to look at .AF again. When I looked at him, I was appalled at the state of his skins. He had begun a trend, using shapes haphazardly thrown around, and color schemes that I was ready to have seizures at. But what amazed me was his amount of {WOW}s. No skinner should have all of his skins {WOW}ed, unless they are all exceptional. You don't walk up to something that was made half assed and go "WOW! THAT ROCKS!", do you? No. If you say "Wow", that usually means it's something spectacular. That's why I was extremely confused at .AF's number of {WOW}s, with every skin he had becoming a {WOW}. None were exempt from the practice.

Then, I decided to make a battle. It was Premades allowed, and Lightz joined it. Everywhere, even though there was none in the topic, I could hear people saying 'oh man... goe is gonna get whooped by .AF and Lightz'. It was as if they had completely forgotten that I had beaten .AF before. He isn't invincible, you know. And with that battle, I proved 2 things. Want to hear them?

  1. No one is unbeatable. I beat lightz, who most people call the 'king of skinning'.
  2. The {WOW} judging system is messed up.

The second one is something most people will argue, but it's true. I beat .AF and Lightz... and that would be something worthy of a "Holy crud.. good job man." I beat someone who was called 'unbeatable'. That IS a {WOW} situation. A member said that my skin is the first on the forums he had even the slightest desire to use. However, for over 14 hours, my skin was ignored by all the staff who replied in it, while .AF's got an easy ticket into the {WOW} forum. I couldn't understand it at all. If you beat a {WOW} skin, doesn't that mean you deserve the title of what you beat? And on top of that, I beat Eric! C'mon... beating someone the public calls unbeatable deserves a {WOW}, right?

In order to get a {WOW}, I had to PM James with the skin. That was unnecessary. Having to PM someone is not needed for .AF. Even if he says the skin sucks, he still get's a {WOW}. I hold nothing against .AF as a person. The only thing I hold against anyone is the process in which people's skins are picked for the {WOW} forum. It's unfair, and this evidence shows it. .AF, while this isn't his fault at all, always get's a {WOW} now, even if he admittedly says the skin sucks.

Now onto the second thing I have to adress: how we think of skinners. Earlier today, I looked through the 'best skinner' topic. Only 2 people said James. Only a handful of people said AgnosticAngel. No one said Cha0sandSin. We've gotton into a horribly bad habit... we're worshipping skinners like Almighty, Adamo, Theo, Cortez, and Eric. While they all are extremely good skinners in their own right, no one is looking at any other skinners. The only skinners that we seem to notice anymore are the big name ones. What about people like James, and me who spend time making every section of our skins count? What about people like BG.FX, who try as hard as they can to make their skins liked, and always fail? What about people like Hamtaro, who barely ever posts a skin, but always amazes? The public has a 2 second memory today, which is why no one ever remembers the old school yet good skinners like Hamtaro, tox0tes, and C&S.

Finally, I have a little complaint about skin battles. I can't count how many times I've seen a big name skinner post a skin, and people immediately say 'you won'. Is there any end to the stupidity of people? Skins can be beaten, no matter how good they are. So why do you even bother to say 'oh you won', when it has no meaning at all?

I apoligize if I offended anyone... but I felt someone needed to say this before the skinning world becomes too far into the depths of idiocy to get out alive.

-Goeyoshi
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Simon
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James
Jun 7 2004, 08:35 PM
I give up. I'm done. Finished.
Skinning isn't what it used to be. It's not even skinning anymore. It's a competition of popularity and graphics. So I turn my back. This is done.

Heh same, iv tried enhancing my gradients to keep up with this revolution but i just simply cant. I quit too


not that i was any good in the first place.
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Aaron-ZNR
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Simon, I liked your skins. Unlike some big namers, it was obvious you worked at them, and were horribly underappreciated for them, IMO. Just like James, C&S, and hamtaro.
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Phyrro
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It's not about EFS for me. Ir's about the sterotypes, favoritism, bias, and pre-judgement it creates. I guess nobody will ever understand though. Too busy being hard-headed and prideful.
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Kazuki-ZNR
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I have already told James my view on this subject.
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RagingFuryBlack
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as have i :(
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goeyoshi
Jun 7 2004, 03:41 PM
Simon, I liked your skins. Unlike some big namers, it was obvious you worked at them, and were horribly underappreciated for them, IMO. Just like James, C&S, and hamtaro.

Nuff Said, that goes for you too James....dont throw in the towel guys.
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itsonlybrad
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oh..no, this has started a riot!!! nooooo....it needs to stop!
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Kazuki-ZNR
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Jun 7 2004, 09:43 PM
oh..no, this has started a riot!!! nooooo....it needs to stop!

It won't become a riot as long as people act in a civilized manner.
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Aaron-ZNR
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Kazuki
Jun 7 2004, 01:45 PM
-={BG.FX}=-
Jun 7 2004, 09:43 PM
oh..no, this has started a riot!!! nooooo....it needs to stop!

It won't become a riot as long as people act in a civilized manner.

As I have, and as have most people. It's just a few cough.afcough that are blowing this hugely out of proportion.
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Quimby
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My response:

Your opinion on AF's skins, is totally different than what other people might think.
And the n00b comments will never stop. I dunno why people get pissed from "he will pwn you!". If you get pissed, why not make the best skin ever and show the n00bs who is the better skinner?
You say how the {WOW} judging system is messed up. Can you elaborate on this please?
Then you talk about how almighty, adamo, theo, cortez, and eric all got voted 'the best skinners'. Note that most n00bs voted and the most recent skins put in the Skin Gallery were by those five people. James deleted all his skins. If the n00bs saw James' skins, it would make a difference in the voting. This goes for you and a whole bunch of other awesome skinners.

And your comment on Skin Battles. They are n00bs. Deal with it.
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RagingFuryBlack
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i guess im {Swear Word} outta luck now when it comes to gettin and old school skin from one of you two for my boards now....and i proudly used an OS skin on my board when i first got it, and im gonna miss it

im not sure how much longer im gonna be skinnin either, seems that all im good for now is makin bases
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Theo
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tbh all these efs skins look the same, always a flashy maintitle to get their attention and buh , com'on people lets get unique eh?
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RagingFuryBlack
Jun 7 2004, 02:50 PM
i guess im {Swear Word} outta luck now when it comes to gettin and old school skin from one of you two for my boards now....and i proudly used an OS skin on my board when i first got it, and im gonna miss it

im not sure how much longer im gonna be skinnin either, seems that all im good for now is makin bases

dude, dont stop skinning man, as many people have said they are..including .AF. If this really bothers everyone that much, well then, you shouldnt be here IMO. if your gonna let a few people's opinions make you stop skinning..well then you arnt really skinning for "fun" as most of you do. :blush:

but for what its worth, i know this will all just blow over and everything will be back to normal :D
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Robb
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I have decided not to quit, because i love it, insted i am gonna learn, nomore gens
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Ryan
Jun 7 2004, 01:49 PM
My response:

Your opinion on AF's skins, is totally different than what other people might think.

I know that. However, that does not mean that all of his skins deserve {WOW}s.

And the n00b comments will never stop. I dunno why people get pissed from "he will pwn you!". If you get pissed, why not make the best skin ever and show the n00bs who is the better skinner?

There is no 'best skin ever', IMO. And yes, I did that and beat Eric.

You say how the {WOW} judging system is messed up. Can you elaborate on this please?

First off, I'll start with my aqua battle. I beat Mac_Graphix by 6. However, his skin got {WOW}ed, I didn't. I'm not going to complain... I hated my skin for that battle no matter how much time I spent on it. However, I made my best skin ever in my battle against Eric. And every staff member that replied said it was awesome... yet it only got {WOW}ed when I talked to James about it. Even though I beat .AF, his got {WOW}ed by the first staff member that saw it. It may just be me being an idiot... but I really dislike how unfair it is that even though I beat him and Eric, I still get a {WOW} almost 16 hours after I posted it.

Then you talk about how almighty, adamo, theo, cortez, and eric all got voted 'the best skinners'. Note that most n00bs voted and the most recent skins put in the Skin Gallery were by those five people. James deleted all his skins. If the n00bs saw James' skins, it would make a difference in the voting. This goes for you and a whole bunch of other awesome skinners.

Yes... but however, the fact is that most of these idiots don't even take the time to look. They find one skin, and say 'omg tat cul yu beest uver :o :o :o'

And your comment on Skin Battles. They are n00bs. Deal with it.

It's true. They are n00bs, and we should just deal with it. You're right.... but that doesn't make it fair.

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