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The State of the Skinners Adress.; LONG RANT AHEAD.
Topic Started: Jun 7 2004, 04:05 PM (1,733 Views)
Aaron-ZNR
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The State of the Skinners Adress.

All right.... I feel like a long rant is in order, so please listen. I'm really hoping I don't get banned for this... please try to pay attention, as I'm going to be touching upon some extremely important issues here, and I beg you to stay with me.

I've wanted to make this rant for a while, and it all started when I beat .AF in a battle. His skin had very few gradients, and was made with a skin generator. I had taken a lot of time and effort making the best skin I possibly could. I was fine with that, and beating him by a margin of 5 votes seemed great at the time.

The thing is, looking back on it, I should have thought about it a bit more. His skin had 2 gradients. Mine had 5. I had looked at every aspect of my skin, while AF's looked sloppily patched together. And while it didn't earn a {WOW}, I should have had a feeling that something was up when I won by a margin of ony 5 votes. The one that works the hardest should always come on top, that's something that should always be true.

Well, anyhow, I ignored it. "I won, who cares?" I thought, not paying much attention to .AF after that. I won a couple more battles, and then decided to look at .AF again. When I looked at him, I was appalled at the state of his skins. He had begun a trend, using shapes haphazardly thrown around, and color schemes that I was ready to have seizures at. But what amazed me was his amount of {WOW}s. No skinner should have all of his skins {WOW}ed, unless they are all exceptional. You don't walk up to something that was made half assed and go "WOW! THAT ROCKS!", do you? No. If you say "Wow", that usually means it's something spectacular. That's why I was extremely confused at .AF's number of {WOW}s, with every skin he had becoming a {WOW}. None were exempt from the practice.

Then, I decided to make a battle. It was Premades allowed, and Lightz joined it. Everywhere, even though there was none in the topic, I could hear people saying 'oh man... goe is gonna get whooped by .AF and Lightz'. It was as if they had completely forgotten that I had beaten .AF before. He isn't invincible, you know. And with that battle, I proved 2 things. Want to hear them?

  1. No one is unbeatable. I beat lightz, who most people call the 'king of skinning'.
  2. The {WOW} judging system is messed up.

The second one is something most people will argue, but it's true. I beat .AF and Lightz... and that would be something worthy of a "Holy crud.. good job man." I beat someone who was called 'unbeatable'. That IS a {WOW} situation. A member said that my skin is the first on the forums he had even the slightest desire to use. However, for over 14 hours, my skin was ignored by all the staff who replied in it, while .AF's got an easy ticket into the {WOW} forum. I couldn't understand it at all. If you beat a {WOW} skin, doesn't that mean you deserve the title of what you beat? And on top of that, I beat Eric! C'mon... beating someone the public calls unbeatable deserves a {WOW}, right?

In order to get a {WOW}, I had to PM James with the skin. That was unnecessary. Having to PM someone is not needed for .AF. Even if he says the skin sucks, he still get's a {WOW}. I hold nothing against .AF as a person. The only thing I hold against anyone is the process in which people's skins are picked for the {WOW} forum. It's unfair, and this evidence shows it. .AF, while this isn't his fault at all, always get's a {WOW} now, even if he admittedly says the skin sucks.

Now onto the second thing I have to adress: how we think of skinners. Earlier today, I looked through the 'best skinner' topic. Only 2 people said James. Only a handful of people said AgnosticAngel. No one said Cha0sandSin. We've gotton into a horribly bad habit... we're worshipping skinners like Almighty, Adamo, Theo, Cortez, and Eric. While they all are extremely good skinners in their own right, no one is looking at any other skinners. The only skinners that we seem to notice anymore are the big name ones. What about people like James, and me who spend time making every section of our skins count? What about people like BG.FX, who try as hard as they can to make their skins liked, and always fail? What about people like Hamtaro, who barely ever posts a skin, but always amazes? The public has a 2 second memory today, which is why no one ever remembers the old school yet good skinners like Hamtaro, tox0tes, and C&S.

Finally, I have a little complaint about skin battles. I can't count how many times I've seen a big name skinner post a skin, and people immediately say 'you won'. Is there any end to the stupidity of people? Skins can be beaten, no matter how good they are. So why do you even bother to say 'oh you won', when it has no meaning at all?

I apoligize if I offended anyone... but I felt someone needed to say this before the skinning world becomes too far into the depths of idiocy to get out alive.

-Goeyoshi
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Hmm The whole pwned thing tickes me off and then some of te skins I have made everyone likes but they never get Owoed.
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Mods are awesome y'all. :lol:
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It sounds like some people think of the wow system and skin battles as popularity contests. Now, I don't know how the wows are messed up, but I will agree that the voting is sometimes biased. However, I know that whenever I vote, even though I may have said things like "You're gonna get pwned," I forget about that and just go with the better skin. Much of the time the people who are more popular are better skinners. Is it a crime to have talent?
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For you it is. ;)
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James
Jun 7 2004, 03:36 PM
For you it is. ;)

Get on with your bad mod-making self, d00de. :lol:
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almighty
Jun 7 2004, 02:37 PM
James
Jun 7 2004, 03:36 PM
For you it is. ;)

Get on with your bad self d00de. :lol:

omg d0ude ise misepleed hae hae nuub :o :o :o1!!!11!1!!!1!oneshiftone!1!

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almighty
Jun 7 2004, 04:37 PM
James
Jun 7 2004, 03:36 PM
For you it is. ;)

Get on with your bad mod-making self, d00de. :lol:

James will find his inner mod-making self soon enough im sure.
If he makes mods, no doubt he'll making some awesome mods.
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Jun 7 2004, 09:35 PM
Mods are awesome y'all. :lol:

hell yeah ;)
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But even better when you've got such a friendly teacher. :rolleyes:
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Ya I liek Everythig accept Battle because Whom ever has the Most Popular ppl in a Clan or a battle wins I vote for skins thats the Only way.
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Ok, I have to make a rant on EFS and OSS...

When I started out, I didn't even know how to do a bevel... I was just a simple skinner... After I mastered skinning without EFS, people liked the skins. But then other skinners came in with these fancy skins and crap, people were looking down on my 'simple' skins. So I got my friend, Zoe, to help me out. We finished our first 'good' EFS skin. People loved it. So we made some more... And more... And more... People loved it... But then people start complaining about it being too 'fancy' and the maintitle just shows off the whole skin... So I made some beautiful OSS skins, but then people are like 'Adamo! It's too simple! Go back to your good skins!' It is INCREDIBALLY frustrating. You've got one group who's ranting EFS, and another group who are ranting on OSS... And who's stuck in the middle? Me and a couple of other skinners who don't care if a skin is EFS or OSS. Can't we all get along people?
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I love skinning. Who gives a crap if its efs oss or nothing. If it looks good, and if it's made with care and a lot of work, then that's all that's important. :D
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this reminds me of a situation that we have in paintball....

Rec and speedball....each trying to make themselves look the best, when really, you need the best of both worlds to be the best...

I guess what im tryin to say is, make a skin in the middle, not to fancy with efs, but not too simple.

I hope i diddnt confuse anyone too badly there
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You spoke exactly as I was trying to cram into some other topics. I will agree with you that there are some people, who make a skin (It can suck tons) and it will just immediatley be WOWed. I doubt some people even take a true look through the skins. I think I'm overlooked quite a bit, because I think I'm fairly good at both old school and enhanced style gradients.

But whenever I do submit my skins (I make less now), even one that has tons of people screaming "Im using this on my forum, check it out here!" It'll take another day for someone to finally browse through it and see that it's an awesome skin. I'm not trying to brag or anything, but it is a bit unfair. A lot of us are getting overlooked, and I can't see why.

I think it's unfair that I spend (Literally, no joke) 1 and a half hours + on my maintitles alone, and it takes a few hours to get seen, where another person haphazardly throws a few shapes together and it gets wowed instantly. Like I said in another topic...

QUALITY over quantity.

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P.S. And yes, some of the WOWs are a popularity contest as well as some battles.
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Jun 7 2004, 04:45 PM
You spoke exactly as I was trying to cram into some other topics. I will agree with you that there are some people, who make a skin (It can suck tons) and it will just immediatley be WOWed. I doubt some people even take a true look through the skins. I think I'm overlooked quite a bit, because I think I'm fairly good at both old school and enhanced style gradients.

But whenever I do submit my skins (I make less now), even one that has tons of people screaming "Im using this on my forum, check it out here!" It'll take another day for someone to finally browse through it and see that it's an awesome skin. I'm not trying to brag or anything, but it is a bit unfair. A lot of us are getting overlooked, and I can't see why.

I think it's unfair that I spend (Literally, no joke) 1 and a half hours + on my maintitles alone, and it takes a few hours to get seen, where another person haphazardly throws a few shapes together and it gets wowed instantly. Like I said in another topic...

QUALITY over quantity.

~SyringeX
P.S. And yes, some of the WOWs are a popularity contest as well as some battles.

1 hour? Try 3. That's how much time I took on the Maintitle alone of my Industrial Blue skin. Yes... I agree that you are quite a good skinner. It takes much too long for you to get what you rightfully deserve.
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