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What are your religious views and why
Topic Started: Nov 5 2004, 12:55 AM (3,349 Views)
demona
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Organized religion is bad. I still find the enoucunter I had erlier today rather interesting.
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demona
Nov 8 2004, 10:52 PM
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Nov 6 2004, 05:23 AM
demona
Nov 6 2004, 02:05 AM
Actually Jesus tell us to preach what he tought us.  Not thwst Christinaity os the only way.  Soi many chrsitinas get that wrong,

I attended a chrstin school for a year and bible study was the most intense class there,  This was before Ai realiuzed wht my true religios belifes are.

He told us to preach the good news. Which...is the gospel...which is that we can all recieve salvation by grace through faith by believing in Him. So, yes, we were supposed to preach his Message to the world, not the label Christianity. But, in his message he also said 'I am the way, the truth, and the Life. No one gets to the Father but by me.' (May not be the exact quote because I don't have a Bible handy and I am going by memory.) Anyways, there are no other religions that teach his same message the way he put it. So, Christianity is the only way, even tho it is a label type of thing. YOu know what I mean?


Get your bible and show the exact quote. Yes he does tecah that through his blessing you will reach hevan, but not to worship him. he tells us to tecah his tecahings, and not preach. teach not preach. There is a difference. jesus was not a god, nor did he ever claim to be god. Of God yes. But we al are of God. That is in Genisus.

Also, My cousin is a minsiter so I know all about it. He said that as long as you believe that Jesus sacrficed himself for you you will go to hevan. I believe he died on the cross to get the final message he was tecahing us across.

Do I believe in jesus? yes. I believe he was sent to tceha us by the Gods. He was given the body of a man. He was gieven the knowlage of the Gods. His mission was to tecah us.

John 14:6
Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

There, are you happy. Straight from the Word of God. Are you going to argue with that?

Mark 16:15
He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the good news to all creation.

No preaching, eh?

Well, if your cousin is a minister, great for him. But let me tell you something. Your cousin ain't gonna get you into the Kingdom of God. Jesus didn't die on the cross to get his message across. He died on the cross because he loved us. Because he wanted to be with us in Heaven. We will be able to be with him now, by believing in him. If he hadn't done this, there would be no sacrifice for our sins. We would all end up in Hell. But that's not God's plan for us. He sent Christ to give us hope!

We are not all of God? What in the world are you talking about? And that is no where in the book of Genesis.

John 3:16
"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

It says right here that he sent his Son. He sent Jesus Christ. Therefore, Jesus Christ is the Son of God. :)

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demona
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You do know that biblical verses have been changed for reach christian religion? The verse on Witch Craft was not origanaly written that way.

Do you know the book of acts? If you believe in jeus and have completely accepted him you shoudl be able to speak in tounges when you worship. I dont have my bible with me atm. I was raised christina remember and do actually ahve one.

Also, dont you think its odd that God gave Man no free will to worship him as they see fit? What kind of God is so strict that you have to worship a certin way inorder to be accepted into his kingdom?

I dont think its right. Any way, read the encounter I had today and tell me what you think about that?
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demona
Nov 10 2004, 11:34 PM
You do know that biblical verses have been changed for reach christian religion? The verse on Witch Craft was not origanaly written that way.

Do you know the book of acts? If you believe in jeus and have completely accepted him you shoudl be able to speak in tounges when you worship. I dont have my bible with me atm. I was raised christina remember and do actually ahve one.

Also, dont you think its odd that God gave Man no free will to worship him as they see fit? What kind of God is so strict that you have to worship a certin way inorder to be accepted into his kingdom?

I dont think its right. Any way, read the encounter I had today and tell me what you think about that?

Biblical Verses have not been changed. They have been put into modern language to be made easier to understand. Their meaning, is the same.

Why don't you 'get your bible' and show me this passage? hmm? I do not believe that you must speak in tongues to be accepted by God. I have read recently about Spiritual Gifts, and even done a Bible Study on it with my youth group. Anyways, it states in 1 Corinthians 12 that speaking in tongues is a gift. It can't be required.

What do you mean that God did not give us free will as how to worship him? I don't believe it says that we must worship him in a certain way. Unless you mean that Christianity is the only true religion, and why aren't people accepted who are Muslim, JW, Hindu, etc. The fact is, worship doesn't get us to heaven. Faith does.

I read about your 'encounter'. I wasn't there, so i don't know how accurate that is and I definitely don't know the other guy's side to it. So I will remain neutral on it. But again, I do not speak for other people. I am myself.
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I meant to see what you would have done had you been in that situation.

Obvioulsy God will not accept those who have not accepted his "son" in to heaven. That tells me that he created only one way to worship. How could God do that? Why would a loving God ignore so many of his children?

If you believe in God, no matter the form he is to you, he should accept you. That was how I always interperted that. The Book of Avts tecahes that the ability to speak in tounges is given to those who ahev accepetd Jesus and the Holly spirit aong with God.

I am in know means a Pentacostal, but my cousin is a minsiter and has been giving us Lessons when ever he comes home. I am polite. I listen respectfully. I still dont see how God could be so forgiving and loving if only those that "repent" and accept jesus can get into Hevan.

Unless of course he created other paridises for those other eligions that worship him. The burrning times were times when the Roman Catholics were taking over Europe.

Satan sudenly had a new form when they encounterd the Horned God of the Paggans. Saints are different Gods and Goddess from the Paggan religion. The celerbration of christmas was put where it was because of the Wiccan celerbration of Yule.

Obviouly you have not studied history all that well. Religions like Chrsitianity during that time changed to convernt as many follwoers as possible. Thats why biblicla verses like the one on Witch craft was re written.

It had been like that for hundreds of years so not many know about the changes. The only reason I know about them is that I have done reserch on the history of Chrsitianity, Wicca, and other religions.

You should try to reserch where the to intersect and see what I mean.
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Obvioulsy God will not accept those who have not accepted his "son" in to heaven. That tells me that he created only one way to worship. How could God do that? Why would a loving God ignore so many of his children?

Why would the children ignore the loving God? And God does not ignore them. There are many chances in ones life to achieve salvation, and it isn't hard.
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Its set up so that you have to believe in jesus. those of the jewish faith whcih Christinaity is based on are not accepetd as they dont believe the messaih has arrived yet, and what about muslims? If you look at the three religions they are at the core the same.
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I am a Christian. I believe in Jesus Christ. I have respect for others religons but if you aren't muslam or islamic or any of the other religions and you just don't believe in Jesus because you have no proof there is proof. How where you born? How were your parents born? They born you, what about your parents, parents. They born your parents but really Jesus born all of us. Techincally your mother borns you but Jesus really died for us and Jesus born his whole god made creation. If Jesus didn't die for us, where would you be? Not born. Exactly my point. Jesus born us all if your waiting for proof, pray for something, wait a little time. It will come true. Talk to Jesus and read the bible.
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demona
Nov 10 2004, 07:25 PM
Its set up so that you have to believe in jesus.  those of the jewish faith whcih Christinaity is based on  are not accepetd as they dont believe the messaih has arrived yet, and what about muslims?  If you look at the three religions they are at the core the same.

I actually went to a series of lectures that were on just that: the interconnectivity of those three faiths. There were professors and international scholars of Christianity, Judaism, and Islam as well as people in attendance of all different faiths including atheism, wicca, and some polytheistic views. It's really fascinating how very similar they are when it comes right down to it. They all are connected by Abraham.

UnderBlade
Nov 10 2004, 07:50 PM
I am a Christian. I believe in Jesus Christ. I have respect for others religons but if you aren't muslam or islamic or any of the other religions and you just don't believe in Jesus because you have no proof there is proof. How where you born? How were your parents born? They born you, what about your parents, parents. They born your parents but really Jesus born all of us. Techincally your mother borns you but Jesus really died for us and Jesus born his whole god made creation. If Jesus didn't die for us, where would you be? Not born. Exactly my point. Jesus born us all if your waiting for proof, pray for something, wait a little time. It will come true. Talk to Jesus and read the bible.

Maybe I'm just dense and not getting a metaphor you're trying to use...But people were born before Jesus walked to Earth...How does Jesus have anything to do with my birth? I mean I know a lot of people say it's God who created man and started the cycle of procreation with Adam and Eve but I've not heard that Jesus is responsible for my birth...Simply that he died 'for our sins.'
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My Religious View: Religion is over rated. Every religion out there makes it out to be more then what it is. I believe that when I die, I will find out what I was ment to believe.
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i have a question. why is christianity like so big n main considering jesus was a jew? If this is wrong excuse me lack of intelligence when it cums to religion..its not something i want to study.
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Chrsitisnaity os so big because it was force on people for so many years in so many places that no other religions were given a chance to live and breathe.

In the middle ages there was one one christian religion in Eurpoe. Then came the renisance. It was then that te church seperated and formed all the differnt paths of christinaity that there are today.

As for religions being made more then they are, most religions try to force a way of life on you. I personally dont think that there is any reason for us to be forced to live a certin way.

Wicca does not make people see it as something it is not. It is an erath based religion where we can worship how we please as long as we follow the wiccan reede. There is a God and Goddess. You choose the names.

Most established religions dont have that freedom. I thik that is one of the biggest reasons I was attarcted to my religion. I desire freedom in my woship. I can worship when I want and how I wnat. I dont have to be in a church or act a certin way in my worship. Its how my heart wants to worship the divine.
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Demona, I do not believe that ANY of the Bible has been changed by man, other than to make it into modern terms. If you have really studied this, than you should have some online resources that can prove that verses in the Bible speaking on witchcraft, or anything for that matter, have been changed. Show them to me. I want to see them before I believe you.

You do not understand the point of Christianity. Jesus said 'I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one gets to the Father but by me.' Now, for a second, let's take this word to be true without question, and analyze it very carefully.

If Jesus is the way, than we should follow him. This would indicate that he has set a path for us, to lead us to our ultimate goal, eternal life in Heaven with God. We should follow HIM. HE is the way. No one else. Jesus.

If Jesus is the truth, than he has told no lie. And that means, that every word he has said, is true. This would mean that he is the Son of God. This would mean that he did die for us. And he did it because he loved. And he forgave us of our sins, etc. Jesus also, that there would be many false prophets and messiahs in the end times. This can definitely account, in my opinion, for a lot of modern-day cults, religions, etc. Jesus is the truth, and he is the ONLY truth.

If Jesus is the life, than we should strive to be like him in our every day lives. He is the perfect example to us. He lived a sinless life. We need to imitate this to grow closer in our walk with God. And, Jesus is the only life worth imatiting. Everyone else had faults. Everyone else sinned. Everyone else needed a Savior. But Jesus is that Savior. So we should strive to be like him, not the people who need him.

This is why. God does not demand that we worship in a certain way. He doesn't say,
"Well children. If it's Sunday, I want you to worship me by singing 'Amazing Grace' in a red t-shirt, while hopping up and down on your left foot. Do this for three hours. On every other day you can where whatever you want and sing any worship song, but you have to balance 3 books on your head." No. We are to free to WORSHIP God any way as long as we are glorifying him. It is simply that we must faith in His Son.

Other religions aren't the same. They might revolve around the idea that there is a God, and that God created the universe, but they do not have Jesus as there savior. And since Jesus is the only way, and the only truth, and the only life, they are all false. End of story.

I have some other stuff to say but right now I don't have time so I'll catch up with it later.

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demona
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Have you reserched any of those other religions for a moment? Have you actually reserched the history of your religion? There is only one wya to worship in christianity. You have to worship God and the Son he gave us.

Jesus was preaching judaisim. He was a jew. he never ment for another religion out be created out of it. I dont have my reserouces with me at the moment. Any one who has not been so brain washed into the christian religion knows about it.

The bible was written by men and has been changed. Whole books and sections have been removed. You should do some reserch on the history of your religion on your own and see what you come up with.

How can a holly word writen by men be not full of errors? Its not possible. As times chnage the word iof God changes. The religion was deisghned to gte as many people to loose their own faith in it.

In the middle ages the Saints in the Catholic church were created to get the pratictioners of wicca to change. Why do you think Christimas is in December when Jesus was actually born in the summer?

The celerbration of our own Gods rebirth happens in the summer. It is known as Yule. The colors are red and Green. It is also known as the festival of lights. Christmas happens exactly 3 days after the celerbartion of Yule.

I will find my resources and show you where i got this informtaion. Believe me or not. I dont care. I am just telling you what other people have reserched told me and given the proof.

I didnt believe it at first eiher, but after doing more reading I realized it was done to convert people to christmas. How did Satans image get to be what it is today> It was not origanally like it is today.
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Nov 11 2004, 04:08 AM
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Nov 10 2004, 07:50 PM
I am a Christian. I believe in Jesus Christ. I have respect for others religons but if you aren't muslam or islamic or any of the other religions and you just don't believe in Jesus because you have no proof there is proof. How where you born? How were your parents born? They born you, what about your parents, parents. They born your parents but really Jesus born all of us. Techincally your mother borns you but Jesus really died for us and Jesus born his whole god made creation. If Jesus didn't die for us, where would you be? Not born. Exactly my point. Jesus born us all if your waiting for proof, pray for something, wait a little time. It will come true. Talk to Jesus and read the bible.

Maybe I'm just dense and not getting a metaphor you're trying to use...But people were born before Jesus walked to Earth...How does Jesus have anything to do with my birth? I mean I know a lot of people say it's God who created man and started the cycle of procreation with Adam and Eve but I've not heard that Jesus is responsible for my birth...Simply that he died 'for our sins.'

Jesus died for us truly, if you don't believe it I have no hatred on you but I believe it. :)
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