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| AgnosticAngel | Nov 13 2004, 11:24 PM Post #211 |
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I wouldn't go so far as to call it a religion, but perhaps that is just me. I would call it a philosophy of sorts.
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| Trav-man | Nov 14 2004, 04:55 PM Post #212 |
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That's Travtastic!
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So, Glitch...do you believe that: A long long time ago, in a galaxy far far away........ (lol) Really, though. Are the Star Wars adventures real then? The movies weren't cartoons. They were real people acting and stuff. So they would be real...unlike sponge bob, right? Oh, and I once heard about this theory on some tv show. They said that for every choice you make, two (or more) realities are created, each with the other choice being made. For ex, if you get up to go to school and there are a few shirts... a black one, blue one, and a white one. You wear the black one. That would mean, that as soon as you make that choice, two other realities are created. One in which you wear the blue one, and one in which you wear the white one. Well, the color of your shirt may not be important, but of course there are other choices that can change history all together. Like, we might not be in Iraq in another reality, or Kerry could have won the election, african americans could still be in slavery, etc. I don't believe in this, I just heard about it and wonder if it has anything to do with an infinite universe...Because even if another reality isn't created, according to you, all of these examples are still true because there are other earths exactly like this one out there, and there must be other earths that are only slightly different, like in some of the choices made. Maybe? Ok...just confused myself again. ![]() Trav |
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| Lucius | Nov 14 2004, 05:04 PM Post #213 |
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Trav, there's something I don't think you understand. The concept of 'Time' is merely a human way of marking an order in which events occur. Different cultures experience 'time' differently. Even the ancient Norse belief in 'wyrd', or fate, inevitability, has to do with the sense of time. Time is infinite in the sense that you can always go earlier or always later. So time really has no effect on the now. You could argue that on a universal scheme the cavemen are making the first fire at the same time that we are having this discussion.
The universe, as well as time, is not infinate in our sense, we just look at it from our strange perspective of 'distance', another thing we invented to measure things. Basically, what we know of the universe is rigidly codified. Religion is mainly to explain the unexplainable- a substitute for things that we really have no explanation for, as they cannot be expressed in such simple theories as 'time' or 'distance'. |
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| Trav-man | Nov 14 2004, 05:10 PM Post #214 |
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That's Travtastic!
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On the time thing, you've lost me. Do you mean that everything is happening right now, all at once. And this is the way we percieve it...or put it into order...or something. And on an infinite universe, you mean that it's not really infinite? It is just on a 'higher' level than us, and so WE can never reach the end...but there is in fact, an end? I think... Trav |
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| Lucius | Nov 14 2004, 05:13 PM Post #215 |
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Time is a man-created concept. Everything happens in an order, but the structuralizing into 'hours' or 'days' is simply a way of expressing that order. It isn't any kind of universal law. The universe is not infinate at any one moment, but instead is constantly expanding, according to the Big Bang theory and scientific study. |
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| Trav-man | Nov 14 2004, 05:16 PM Post #216 |
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That's Travtastic!
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Oh ok...well I can understand that. Either way, doesn't apply to me so much because I don't believe it. Oh, just a thought. Do you think it's possible that God created the universe THROUGH the big bang? Possible, yes.But I don't believe it but I have heard other peoplwe say that b4. |
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| Glitch | Nov 14 2004, 06:27 PM Post #217 |
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Denying science is ignorant; denying logic is just stupid. It's like thinking that our space program is fake cause above our atmosphere there's heaven.
Possibly, but we have no evidence to support that. I'd rather not believe something that has no proof backing it. |
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| DennisP | Nov 14 2004, 06:45 PM Post #218 |
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time is an entity created by God to constrain us. The same with space. God is not constrained by either. He operated outside of both. |
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| Trav-man | Nov 14 2004, 07:39 PM Post #219 |
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That's Travtastic!
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*yawn* Ok, this is the way I look at it. It is easy to see simple facts (and not so simple ones) that science can prove. No problem with that. But it is a LITTLE harder to believe in something like the big bang because you can't see it or feel it and it hasn't been absolutely proven and it happened so long ago, etc. And it would be just as hard to believe in God, and that he created the universe, and that the Bible is true, and that he sent his son to die for us so that we could be forgiven of our sins so that we can spend eternity in heaven. With or without logic, reason, and science. This is the difference: Faith. I have felt God. I haven't felt science. I can see Jesus in my life. I can't see evolution. I have answered prayers. Science says there is no one to answer those prayers. I have seen miracles in my life. Science says there's no such thing as a miracle. This isn't blind faith. This is me, believing, because I've felt God, and because I've seen him working in my life. I'd much rather rely in my own experiances rather than science and it's unproven theories. Trav |
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| Glitch | Nov 14 2004, 09:10 PM Post #220 |
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Theories are formulated based on the proof that we have. Scientists aren't looking to prove theories. That's not really possible. The idea of experimenting is to attempt to disprove the hypothesis. And for all the times these theories have been tested, they could not be disproven. I think it's really kinda stupid that people just sit down and pray sometimes. Like on the flights during 9/11, the people didn't even do anything. There are, say, 90 passengers onboard any given one of those 4 flights. There are around 10 terrorists max each. 9 passengers vs a terrorist with a box-cutting knife. I think the passengers would win. If they fought back. But did they? Noooo, they sat around and prayed. And their inaction led to the deaths of 3000. (with the exception of the brave souls onboard Flight 93 that was downed in central Pennsylvania) If such a thing had happened in atheist China the passengers would have mobbed the terrorists to death with suitcases and pens. Hell, they're not gonna let some terrorist ruin their lives. |
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| demona | Nov 14 2004, 09:16 PM Post #221 |
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Oh We believe you Trav. We understand how and why you believe. As for me, I know what I believe in and why i do. I dont know who to explain it. How can you explain whjy you have faith in a God and Goddess? How can you explain your faith in science? I dont know if you really can. Descriptive words in the human launguge so limit our power of understanding the trute power and strenth of some ones belifs that it is hard to see. I feel connected to the moon I feel connected to the sun My body reacts to the changes in the seasons I can hear spirits in the wind I see God in the Stag and thus do not partake of Stag meet I see the earth as a livimng thing connected to the divine with masculine and feminine energies. Being raised Christin I see the Goddess as Marry I see the rebirth of the God as jesus at Christmas time as well as On eatser I see him being reborn I am connecetd to the earth I believe in Reincarnation I belive that if there is a hell this is it I believe that all god are one God and all Goddesses on Goddess. Thats the basis of what I see in my religion. I have been meaning to say this for a while now, but have just recebtly had the words come to my mind and my finger tips. Blessed Be ~Demona |
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| Trav-man | Nov 14 2004, 09:17 PM Post #222 |
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That's Travtastic!
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Please...we've been through what a theory is 500 times in this thread alone. I know what it is. You can tell me what a theory it is, and say I'm not using the word properly, but the fact remains that the big bang is still not a fact, and you can't argue with my faith, because you haven't felt what I've felt because you don't have Jesus. |
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| Glitch | Nov 14 2004, 09:19 PM Post #223 |
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But tell me, why haven't I felt Jesus? If Jesus is really legitemately all powerful and if he really cares about everyone then he would have presented himself to me already. |
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| Trav-man | Nov 14 2004, 09:53 PM Post #224 |
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That's Travtastic!
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I don't know. |
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| Cadence | Nov 14 2004, 10:47 PM Post #225 |
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I love God more than anything.
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Because you havent let yourself... If you believe God isnt real and youre so strong in this belief, how can he show himself to you? |
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