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What are your religious views and why
Topic Started: Nov 5 2004, 12:55 AM (3,359 Views)
Melancholic
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I'm a satanist.

There. I've said it.
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TeeSee
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I am just me..... I don't believe I should have to praise anyone, I think I should do what I think is right or wrong, not what God or Jesus says is right or wrong.
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Innocence
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I'm not sure what I am. There are aspects of Christianity I enjoy, namely the communal feeling that comes from a good worship session, but I don't feel comfortable completely dedicating myself to just one thing. I believe there is perhaps an almighty power, but Christianity alone isn't the only way to earn an afterlife. It seems cruel to me that a good person could burn in hell just because they've never been "saved" and yet a Christian who hasn't done nearly as many good things as the former is given entrance. Also how many believe homosexuals are sinners and could never be "true" followers of Christ.

Just one of the many things Christians believe that bothers me.
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Melancholic
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Nov 5 2004, 04:35 PM
I am just me..... I don't believe I should have to praise anyone, I think I should do what I think is right or wrong, not what God or Jesus says is right or wrong.

Exactly.

I know this is totally unasked for but I'm bored and feel like writing an essay of some sort. :lol:

The human mind is perfectly able to comprehend and act without having to refer to dogmatic propaganda enforced by a church (or God for that matter). We don't need some deity to make our decisions for us - we can do that ourselves. :rolleyes:

For me (and most other non-cultist Satanists out there) Satan is a symbol of the power of choice. It was He who first defied God, and was banished from Heaven for it. Sounds a highly undemocratic dictatorship.

Satan taught us about true human nature by persuading Eve into eating that all-important apple. He taught us we should follow our own instincts. To do what we consider the best course of action. To follow our own minds, and not the mindless masses.

That is why Satanism is so goddamn beautiful. :P
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Cordelia Aldraa
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I am a Christain. And proud of it :D
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I love God more than anything. :)
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Cordelia Aldraa
Nov 5 2004, 04:39 PM
I am a Chritain. And proud of it :D

But you cant spell it! :haha:

lol, I'm just messin' :D

I'm a Christian and I always will be be. For one, thats what I've grown up with, and two it gives me somthing to live for...somthing to look foward to. I know that when I die I just wont...disappear :/
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I'm an atheist. I don't believe in the existence of any god or gods. And I'm not all disturbed by the fact, according to my beliefs, that when I die I'll simply cease to exist. Also I don't have a problem with people who have other beliefs.
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Nov 5 2004, 01:12 PM
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SyringeX
Nov 5 2004, 01:08 PM
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I'm not a religious person. I find it all very dated and out of touch with today

The values taught within the bible apply moral values. Therefore, it can only apply less to those who don't apply it at all. So I don't see how it can be out-of-date.

It's very out-of-date. People's attitudes and moral beliefs have changed a lot in the past 2000 years. And i meant no offence, it's just what i think.

I mean no offense either, but I don't see how it can be out of date. Like I said, those with different morals often do not apply the morals in the bible. Is it that hard to love thy neighbor, or not to steal? It's these basic principles that the bible teaches, it's not asking us to go all out and preach to every person in the world.

I don't feel that the entire moral teachings of the bible are out of date. I agree that loving your neighbour and not stealing etc are good teachings. But then their are other issues, which at the time, i'm sure where justified, but 2000 odd years on are probably no longer politically correct one could say. thats all.

I had the same discussion in class a while back :haha:
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As stated in my Custom Member Title and signature, I am the 'SZ Local Jesus Freak'. (Christian.)

Basically, I believe in the Creation, and that once Adam and Eve sinned, it was passed down to all of us. This is how I believe sin entered the human race. This is why Jesus Christ, the Son of God was sent to us. He was born of the virgin Mary, lived a blameless life, and became the ultimate sacrifice for all of our sins when he died on the cross. We accept the gift of Salvation and recieve God's grace and the Holy Spirit through faith in Jesus Christ. Ultimately, all we have to do is believe.

I was brought up into Christianity through my mother, who was a Christian. My father accepted Christ into his heart later on. So, as can be expected, this is why I believed...first.
But as I have gotten older, I have challenged this and even rebelled against it a few times. This is when my true faith came about. I have seen God at work in my life, and in the lives of others. I can feel him in me, and I can see his blessings all around me. Ultimately, for me, it comes down to answered prayers. God is always there for me when I cry out to him and that is what makes him so AWESOME!! I also find fulfilled prophecy very interesting. If anyone is interested, I can share some. :)

Something I wanted to point out was to SyringeX...
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it's not asking us to go all out and preach to every person in the world.


Actually, it is. The Bible tells us to go into all the world and preach the good news to ALL of creation. :r

You might want to pay a little more attention next time...

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The human mind is perfectly able to comprehend and act without having to refer to dogmatic propaganda enforced by a church (or God for that matter). We don't need some deity to make our decisions for us - we can do that ourselves.

For me (and most other non-cultist Satanists out there) Satan is a symbol of the power of choice. It was He who first defied God, and was banished from Heaven for it. Sounds a highly undemocratic dictatorship.

Satan taught us about true human nature by persuading Eve into eating that all-important apple. He taught us we should follow our own instincts. To do what we consider the best course of action. To follow our own minds, and not the mindless masses.


True, humans are perfectly capable of making their own decisions without God. But why don't we take a second to look at the example that you gave us. Now, remember when Adam and Eve ate that apple? Let's look at how it all went down.
First, Satan came in the form of a serpent and convinced Eve to eat the apple, who convinced Adam to eat of it as well. Now, it has been established that human has made a decision without God. But, let's think about the consequences. What happened? Well Adam and Eve realized they were naked and became ashamed of that. Annnnnnd, God came down, and punished them. They had now insured that they would die of old age, instead of living forever, it became painful for a woman to give birth, and men would have to work hard to earn their food for their family.

So, what happened when man made his own decisions? A disaster happened.
If Adam and Eve didn't fall into that sin, and followed God, then sin would have never happened and all of those punishments would have never been brought forth. Instead, they would be rewarded by God!

So, maybe God has us following Him for a reason, eh?

Trav
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Actually Jesus tell us to preach what he tought us. Not thwst Christinaity os the only way. Soi many chrsitinas get that wrong,

I attended a chrstin school for a year and bible study was the most intense class there, This was before Ai realiuzed wht my true religios belifes are.
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Nov 5 2004, 04:35 PM
I am just me..... I don't believe I should have to praise anyone, I think I should do what I think is right or wrong, not what God or Jesus says is right or wrong.

And if you happen to believe that Murder is right? Is it right now?
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Innocence
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No, the people as a whole decide whether that is right or wrong, using murder as an example is going a bit far. What he is saying is that not everyone is willing to submit to a higher power they don't necessarily believe in. And they do, they have the right to live their life the way they see fit without harassment from those trying to convince them of otherwise.
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Nov 6 2004, 12:59 AM
As stated in my Custom Member Title and signature, I am the 'SZ Local Jesus Freak'. (Christian.)

Basically, I believe in the Creation, and that once Adam and Eve sinned, it was passed down to all of us. This is how I believe sin entered the human race. This is why Jesus Christ, the Son of God was sent to us. He was born of the virgin Mary, lived a blameless life, and became the ultimate sacrifice for all of our sins when he died on the cross. We accept the gift of Salvation and recieve God's grace and the Holy Spirit through faith in Jesus Christ. Ultimately, all we have to do is believe.

I was brought up into Christianity through my mother, who was a Christian. My father accepted Christ into his heart later on. So, as can be expected, this is why I believed...first.
But as I have gotten older, I have challenged this and even rebelled against it a few times. This is when my true faith came about. I have seen God at work in my life, and in the lives of others. I can feel him in me, and I can see his blessings all around me. Ultimately, for me, it comes down to answered prayers. God is always there for me when I cry out to him and that is what makes him so AWESOME!! I also find fulfilled prophecy very interesting. If anyone is interested, I can share some. :)

Something I wanted to point out was to SyringeX...
Quote:
 
it's not asking us to go all out and preach to every person in the world.


Actually, it is. The Bible tells us to go into all the world and preach the good news to ALL of creation. :r

You might want to pay a little more attention next time...

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The human mind is perfectly able to comprehend and act without having to refer to dogmatic propaganda enforced by a church (or God for that matter). We don't need some deity to make our decisions for us - we can do that ourselves.

For me (and most other non-cultist Satanists out there) Satan is a symbol of the power of choice. It was He who first defied God, and was banished from Heaven for it. Sounds a highly undemocratic dictatorship.

Satan taught us about true human nature by persuading Eve into eating that all-important apple. He taught us we should follow our own instincts. To do what we consider the best course of action. To follow our own minds, and not the mindless masses.


True, humans are perfectly capable of making their own decisions without God. But why don't we take a second to look at the example that you gave us. Now, remember when Adam and Eve ate that apple? Let's look at how it all went down.
First, Satan came in the form of a serpent and convinced Eve to eat the apple, who convinced Adam to eat of it as well. Now, it has been established that human has made a decision without God. But, let's think about the consequences. What happened? Well Adam and Eve realized they were naked and became ashamed of that. Annnnnnd, God came down, and punished them. They had now insured that they would die of old age, instead of living forever, it became painful for a woman to give birth, and men would have to work hard to earn their food for their family.

So, what happened when man made his own decisions? A disaster happened.
If Adam and Eve didn't fall into that sin, and followed God, then sin would have never happened and all of those punishments would have never been brought forth. Instead, they would be rewarded by God!

So, maybe God has us following Him for a reason, eh?

Trav

Are you a guy? If you are, you might have a bit harder time understanding what I am talking about.

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It seems to me like God was trying to dehumanize women. We are the ones who have to go through painful birth.

I don't think that it is fair that God lets guys get off with nothing when women have to suffer.

Explain this to me if you are such a Christian know-it-all. I converted at the age of ten. I forgot a lot.....refresh my memory.
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The painful childbirth is the punishment to women for Eve's original sin (at least that's what I was taught to believe as a child). Adam didn't initiate the sin so women took the burden of the 'punishment.' I'm sure Trav-man knows more about it than me as it's probably been 5 years since I went to church or anything but that's my take on it.
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demona
Nov 6 2004, 02:05 AM
Actually Jesus tell us to preach what he tought us. Not thwst Christinaity os the only way. Soi many chrsitinas get that wrong,

I attended a chrstin school for a year and bible study was the most intense class there, This was before Ai realiuzed wht my true religios belifes are.

He told us to preach the good news. Which...is the gospel...which is that we can all recieve salvation by grace through faith by believing in Him. So, yes, we were supposed to preach his Message to the world, not the label Christianity. But, in his message he also said 'I am the way, the truth, and the Life. No one gets to the Father but by me.' (May not be the exact quote because I don't have a Bible handy and I am going by memory.) Anyways, there are no other religions that teach his same message the way he put it. So, Christianity is the only way, even tho it is a label type of thing. YOu know what I mean?

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Are you a guy? If you are, you might have a bit harder time understanding what I am talking about.

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It seems to me like God was trying to dehumanize women. We are the ones who have to go through painful birth.

I don't think that it is fair that God lets guys get off with nothing when women have to suffer.

Explain this to me if you are such a Christian know-it-all. I converted at the age of ten. I forgot a lot.....refresh my memory.


Well, my name is Trav-man so yes, I am a guy. But I do understand exactly where you are coming from. Being a guy doesn't mean you can't relate to how other people feel. :wink:

AgnosticAngel may have a point there, I'm not REALLY sure, in that Eve 'initiated' the sin. But, Man did not get off with 'nothing' as you so bluntly put it. When Adam and Eve were first in the Garden of Eden, it was basically a paradise. Everything was right there for them. The fruit and stuff was all there for them to eat. Adam did not have to labor to support Eve and himself. After the sin, (I am not sure exactly how the Bible puts it) the Bible says that man would have to work the land.

This is Genesis Chapter 3. This is the story of how man fell into sin. God's punishments on Adam and Eve and in bold. Woman has an increase in pain during childbirth, and man has to toil the ground.

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Genesis 3


The Fall of Man

1 Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the LORD God had made. He said to the woman, "Did God really say, 'You must not eat from any tree in the garden'?"
2 The woman said to the serpent, "We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, 3 but God did say, 'You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.' "
4 "You will not surely die," the serpent said to the woman. 5 "For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil."
6 When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it. 7 Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized they were naked; so they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings for themselves.
8 Then the man and his wife heard the sound of the LORD God as he was walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and they hid from the LORD God among the trees of the garden. 9 But the LORD God called to the man, "Where are you?"
10 He answered, "I heard you in the garden, and I was afraid because I was naked; so I hid."
11 And he said, "Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree that I commanded you not to eat from?"
12 The man said, "The woman you put here with me-she gave me some fruit from the tree, and I ate it."
13 Then the LORD God said to the woman, "What is this you have done?"
The woman said, "The serpent deceived me, and I ate."
14 So the LORD God said to the serpent, "Because you have done this,

"Cursed are you above all the livestock
and all the wild animals!
You will crawl on your belly
and you will eat dust
all the days of your life.
15 And I will put enmity
between you and the woman,
and between your offspring [1] and hers;
he will crush [2] your head,
and you will strike his heel."

16 To the woman he said,

"I will greatly increase your pains in childbearing;
with pain you will give birth to children.
Your desire will be for your husband,
and he will rule over you."


17 To Adam he said, "Because you listened to your wife and ate from the tree about which I commanded you, 'You must not eat of it,'

"Cursed is the ground because of you;
through painful toil you will eat of it
all the days of your life.
18 It will produce thorns and thistles for you,
and you will eat the plants of the field.
19 By the sweat of your brow
you will eat your food
until you return to the ground,
since from it you were taken;
for dust you are
and to dust you will return."


20 Adam [3] named his wife Eve, [4] because she would become the mother of all the living.
21 The LORD God made garments of skin for Adam and his wife and clothed them. 22 And the LORD God said, "The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever." 23 So the LORD God banished him from the Garden of Eden to work the ground from which he had been taken. 24 After he drove the man out, he placed on the east side [5] of the Garden of Eden cherubim and a flaming sword flashing back and forth to guard the way to the tree of life.


I hope that clears things up for you. Any more questions?

Trav




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