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What are your religious views and why
Topic Started: Nov 5 2004, 12:55 AM (3,356 Views)
ReviloZ
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I dont beleive in God, and he can't punish me for not beleiving in him, because I have no reason to. If God wanted us to beleive in him I think he would of actually given us proof instead of just the words of men.
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Rhydreath
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ReviloZ
Nov 6 2004, 08:08 PM
I dont beleive in God, and he can't punish me for not beleiving in him, because I have no reason to. If God wanted us to beleive in him I think he would of actually given us proof instead of just the words of men.

Exactly, if he wanted followers, then he is God...I mean, He could make us believe in him. Otherwise, He wouldn't have made science....because that is what gives folks evidence not to believe.

It is way to contradicting....if He wants everyone to believe in him, then why no give us evidence that He might be real?
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Nov 6 2004, 09:21 PM
ReviloZ
Nov 6 2004, 08:08 PM
I dont beleive in God, and he can't punish me for not beleiving in him, because I have no reason to. If God wanted us to beleive in him I think he would of actually given us proof instead of just the words of men.

Exactly, if he wanted followers, then he is God...I mean, He could make us believe in him. Otherwise, He wouldn't have made science....because that is what gives folks evidence not to believe.

It is way to contradicting....if He wants everyone to believe in him, then why no give us evidence that He might be real?

SALVATION BY FAITH

That's why!

If God jumped right out at us and said "Here I am! Look, it's me, God! I created you! Worship Me!", then we would not need faith!

And you might say 'Well why do we need faith? Why does God require us to have faith, instead of just being with us?'. I've said it before, GOD SEPARATES HIMSELF FROM SIN. MAN IS SINFUL. GOD CANNOT STAY WITH MAN BECAUSE THEY ARE LIKE OPPOSITES. PERFECT, SINNER. Do you get that???? WE CONNECT OURSELVES TO GOD THROUGH JESUS CHRIST WHO WE MUST HAVE FAITH IN!

That is why us Christians can feel God in our lives. Because we are connected to God! Through Jesus! You guyz don't have that relationship and so you aren't connected to God, and he won't be here with you in your sin!!

PLEASE! I don't know how to make it any more clearer to you! Just think about it. Not one word of the Bible contradicts itself. Everything in it has an explanation and you just have to look around for it. If you see something you think contradicts itself in the Bible, ask me about it and I will show you. Don't just jump out and make false accusations.

Trav
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Rhydreath
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Trav-man
Nov 6 2004, 09:28 PM
Rhydreath
Nov 6 2004, 09:21 PM
ReviloZ
Nov 6 2004, 08:08 PM
I dont beleive in God, and he can't punish me for not beleiving in him, because I have no reason to. If God wanted us to beleive in him I think he would of actually given us proof instead of just the words of men.

Exactly, if he wanted followers, then he is God...I mean, He could make us believe in him. Otherwise, He wouldn't have made science....because that is what gives folks evidence not to believe.

It is way to contradicting....if He wants everyone to believe in him, then why no give us evidence that He might be real?

SALVATION BY FAITH

That's why!

If God jumped right out at us and said "Here I am! Look, it's me, God! I created you! Worship Me!", then we would not need faith!

And you might say 'Well why do we need faith? Why does God require us to have faith, instead of just being with us?'. I've said it before, GOD SEPARATES HIMSELF FROM SIN. MAN IS SINFUL. GOD CANNOT STAY WITH MAN BECAUSE THEY ARE LIKE OPPOSITES. PERFECT, SINNER. Do you get that???? WE CONNECT OURSELVES TO GOD THROUGH JESUS CHRIST WHO WE MUST HAVE FAITH IN!

That is why us Christians can feel God in our lives. Because we are connected to God! Through Jesus! You guyz don't have that relationship and so you aren't connected to God, and he won't be here with you in your sin!!

PLEASE! I don't know how to make it any more clearer to you! Just think about it. Not one word of the Bible contradicts itself. Everything in it has an explanation and you just have to look around for it. If you see something you think contradicts itself in the Bible, ask me about it and I will show you. Don't just jump out and make false accusations.

Trav

I didn't make any false accusations. I am sorry that I don't have the faith requirement to believe in God....I just don't think that it is possible. How can one person rule all and have made everything. Sounds like a communist if you ask me.

I didn't say that there was anything contradicting in the bible. I said that there were contradicting things in religion itself. Like this:

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A young man was killed at his university by two other young men for being gay.  As you know, this is considered a hate crime, and the two men were convicted and charged.

Not long afterwards (I can't remember when this happened on the timeling), a priest was out in the street holding very cruel signs:

"Matt is in Hell."
"No rights for fags."


Now answer me this, how is that fair? Doesn't your bible say to "love thy neighbor". This isn't very apparent in a priest's actions. How is that being remotely Christian?

Tell me how this is supposed to be handled.
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It is way to contradicting....


I'd call that an accusation...which is false.

I don't support what that priest did, and I won't speak for him. He is on his own, and he is either mislead, or doesn't really have God their with him.
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I feel religious faith is for those who cannot come to terms with the fact that their life is meaningless, they have no purpose, and that they will die and be gone. I don't mean to say that religion is a bad thing; for many people it allows them to lead happy and productive lives. For some of the more analytical and logical minds, though, it just doesn't work.


Ok then, being an athiest is not coming to terms with the fact that there is a life after death and they do have a purpose.

You see what I mean there, you cant say that and I cant say what I just did cause we both have our own beliefs of whats true and whats not.

and another thing, to be honest, Creation is more logical to me, so you cant say Christians dont have logical minds. The truth is, is that it takes at least as much faith to be an athiest as it does to be a Christian because atoms dont just "appear" outta no where. ;)
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While that example is horrible and those things do happen - even from my atheist point of view I can recognize that person's action in no way represent every religious person in the world. Just as every horrible thing an atheist has ever done, should not reflect on me - because obviously I am my own person just as Trav-man is not that priest. There are bound to be extremists and people who give groups bad reputations nearly anywhere you look, and this does not exclude religion or the lack thereof.
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Ancient Greece and Rome had polytheistic religions, the milennia after that witnessed the rise of monotheism, and now, in the 21st century the time has come for religion to advance to the next stage. More and more people lose faith in the failing religions that dominate the world today so eventually, sooner then most would dare think, something modern will rise and take over.

'Nuff said. :@
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Nov 6 2004, 06:10 PM
Ancient Greece and Rome had polytheistic religions, the milennia after that witnessed the rise of monotheism, and now, in the 21st century the time has come for religion to advance to the next stage. More and more people lose faith in the failing religions that dominate the world today so eventually, sooner then most would dare think, something modern will rise and take over.

'Nuff said. :@

I disagree, I think there will be a judgement day before anything insane like that ever happens. :angel:
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Trav-man
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Sheex
Nov 6 2004, 11:10 PM
Ancient Greece and Rome had polytheistic religions, the milennia after that witnessed the rise of monotheism, and now, in the 21st century the time has come for religion to advance to the next stage. More and more people lose faith in the failing religions that dominate the world today so eventually, sooner then most would dare think, something modern will rise and take over.

'Nuff said. :@

Who is losing faith?
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Trav-man
Nov 6 2004, 05:28 PM
Rhydreath
Nov 6 2004, 09:21 PM
ReviloZ
Nov 6 2004, 08:08 PM
I dont beleive in God, and he can't punish me for not beleiving in him, because I have no reason to. If God wanted us to beleive in him I think he would of actually given us proof instead of just the words of men.

Exactly, if he wanted followers, then he is God...I mean, He could make us believe in him. Otherwise, He wouldn't have made science....because that is what gives folks evidence not to believe.

It is way to contradicting....if He wants everyone to believe in him, then why no give us evidence that He might be real?

SALVATION BY FAITH

That's why!

If God jumped right out at us and said "Here I am! Look, it's me, God! I created you! Worship Me!", then we would not need faith!

And you might say 'Well why do we need faith? Why does God require us to have faith, instead of just being with us?'. I've said it before, GOD SEPARATES HIMSELF FROM SIN. MAN IS SINFUL. GOD CANNOT STAY WITH MAN BECAUSE THEY ARE LIKE OPPOSITES. PERFECT, SINNER. Do you get that???? WE CONNECT OURSELVES TO GOD THROUGH JESUS CHRIST WHO WE MUST HAVE FAITH IN!

That is why us Christians can feel God in our lives. Because we are connected to God! Through Jesus! You guyz don't have that relationship and so you aren't connected to God, and he won't be here with you in your sin!!

PLEASE! I don't know how to make it any more clearer to you! Just think about it. Not one word of the Bible contradicts itself. Everything in it has an explanation and you just have to look around for it. If you see something you think contradicts itself in the Bible, ask me about it and I will show you. Don't just jump out and make false accusations.

Trav

Salvation by faith was not something decreed by god, it was instituted by the church ;)


And to comment on the judgement day thing. Mankind will kill itself off, or the sun will implode and kill all in our solar system. The second part has been mapped out, but the first is just how i see it. Mankind has basically devoted itself to, not peace, but to the destruction of itself. Countless wars, petty arghuments leading to violence...it never ends. Greed also remains. The US produces enough food to feed the world. Do we? no, yet we continue to go over the question of solving world hunger by OTHER resources...because it would be a shame to have to use our own(pffft). Judgement day is (in my mind) not a day of reckoning regarding your faith...but merely, when mankind has to come to terms with its own actions and what theyve led to.
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I'm Catholic. I'm not religious though. Sure, i believe and love in God, but I dont go to church or catholic school or anything. And i dont take the extreme religion like all i do all day is worship because that is weird. i have a life.... Now im just ranting so

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Trav-man
Nov 7 2004, 01:55 AM
Sheex
Nov 6 2004, 11:10 PM
Ancient Greece and Rome had polytheistic religions, the milennia after that witnessed the rise of monotheism, and now, in the 21st century the time has come for religion to advance to the next stage. More and more people lose faith in the failing religions that dominate the world today so eventually, sooner then most would dare think, something modern will rise and take over.

'Nuff said. :@

Who is losing faith?

About 80% of the people I know.

Remember Europe is always ahead of the US when it comes to developments like this. ;)
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faded
Nov 6 2004, 06:05 PM
Ok then, being an athiest is not coming to terms with the fact that there is a life after death and they do have a purpose.

You see what I mean there, you cant say that and I cant say what I just did cause we both have our own beliefs of whats true and whats not.

and another thing, to be honest, Creation is more logical to me, so you cant say Christians dont have logical minds. The truth is, is that it takes at least as much faith to be an athiest as it does to be a Christian because atoms dont just "appear" outta no where. ;)

Atheists rely on fact rather than faith. Has no one read my arguments?

The Universe has been around for infinity, and the size of space is infinity. Sometime way back then, somewhere in known space, one supercondensed ball of matter existed. It's not a question of whether it did exist or not. It does exist, because the Universe is infinite and in an infinite Universe, it has to exist. It's simple logic.

Besides, how could God just "appear" out of nowhere? Explain that for me?
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The part about opening your mind is kinda hypocritical, in my opinion. You don't seem to be opening your mind to science at all.
And also, I think it's just plain out greedy to believe in God "just in case".

I have opened my mind to the Big Bang and gave it serious thought. I never said that I believed in God "just in case". I simply provided a quote given from one of the most genious men of all time, to help shed light on atheists. I know what I believe in, and I don't need someone to tell me that I am being greedy for trying to show some what I see.

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Besides, how could God just "appear" out of nowhere? Explain that for me?

He just always was. Similar to that magical ball of matter that appeared out of nowhere. As I have said almost a thousand times by now, it seems to make much more sense that an all-powerful God appeared, then a particle sciencing itself into our universe. There is no solid evidence of a God, and there is no solid evidence of the Big Bang Theory, or any other. Every idea on how life started requires the same amount of faith, just as Faded said.
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