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What are your religious views and why
Topic Started: Nov 5 2004, 12:55 AM (3,355 Views)
red wiz
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im a jesus and im proud of it
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Cadence
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I love God more than anything. :)
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SyringeX
Nov 7 2004, 12:04 PM
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The part about opening your mind is kinda hypocritical, in my opinion. You don't seem to be opening your mind to science at all.
And also, I think it's just plain out greedy to believe in God "just in case".

I have opened my mind to the Big Bang and gave it serious thought. I never said that I believed in God "just in case". I simply provided a quote given from one of the most genious men of all time, to help shed light on atheists. I know what I believe in, and I don't need someone to tell me that I am being greedy for trying to show some what I see.

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Besides, how could God just "appear" out of nowhere? Explain that for me?

He just always was. Similar to that magical ball of matter that appeared out of nowhere. As I have said almost a thousand times by now, it seems to make much more sense that an all-powerful God appeared, then a particle sciencing itself into our universe. There is no solid evidence of a God, and there is no solid evidence of the Big Bang Theory, or any other. Every idea on how life started requires the same amount of faith, just as Faded said.

Yeah, thats exactly what I was trying to say Glitch. I'm just trying to make a point that to believe the big bang you needs lotsa faith just as you do to believe in God and that its not exactly perfect logic.
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He just always was. Similar to that magical ball of matter that appeared out of nowhere. As I have said almost a thousand times by now, it seems to make much more sense that an all-powerful God appeared, then a particle sciencing itself into our universe. There is no solid evidence of a God, and there is no solid evidence of the Big Bang Theory, or any other. Every idea on how life started requires the same amount of faith, just as Faded said.

I find it more believeable that a supercondensed, super-simple ball of matter existed than a complex, all-powerful being able to sense and control everything.

If God does exist, then what is he made of? Where is he? Where is heaven and hell?
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Sheex
Nov 7 2004, 02:27 PM
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Nov 7 2004, 01:55 AM
Sheex
Nov 6 2004, 11:10 PM
Ancient Greece and Rome had polytheistic religions, the milennia after that witnessed the rise of monotheism, and now, in the 21st century the time has come for religion to advance to the next stage. More and more people lose faith in the failing religions that dominate the world today so eventually, sooner then most would dare think, something modern will rise and take over.

'Nuff said. :@

Who is losing faith?

About 80% of the people I know.

Remember Europe is always ahead of the US when it comes to developments like this. ;)

Isaiah 40: 8
The grass withers and the flowers fall, but the word of our God stands forever.

I have actually heard that only 4% of today's youth have accepted Christ into their hearts, compared to the 80% of our grandparent's generation, and 35% of our parents. But the point is, even if people change, God doesn't.

Hebrews 13:8
Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever.

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Meily
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i used to be religious as in believe in god and that stuff
but my grandpa died when i was four and i was very attached to him. i had a dream about his death that was close ina way to the cause of his death.
after that i questioned my beliefs and now i don't have a religion.
the only person in my family that didn't accept that some of his family weren't religious was mygrandfather. he thought that he would go to hell if he didn't change our ways.
he died a year or two ago
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I find it more believeable that a supercondensed, super-simple ball of matter existed than a complex, all-powerful being able to sense and control everything.

If God does exist, then what is he made of? Where is he? Where is heaven and hell?

Does he need to be made of something specific? As said before in this topic, you will not see him or heaven physically. The only way we're going to find him physically is when all of us die, until then, faith is needed.
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I am Jewish, but I dont really celebrate aot of the holidays or go to church.

As for the existance of god, I really dont see any proof that such a being exists.
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Nov 8 2004, 12:31 AM
As for the existance of god, I really dont see any proof that such a being exists.

Step outside, look around you, and then say that. you can look back trillions of years trying to explain how the earth came to being in that scientific manner, but the fact still remains that it was created. People believe in the big bang theory, but what made the bang. I know for a fact that I can't create anything out of nothing, so how did the universe do the same?

I'm Christian, not because I was forced into it, but because I saw it with my own eyes.

And SyringeX, Trav-man, Aldra (sp?), faded, those I may have missed, I appreciate you taking a stand for what you believe in.
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catfriedrice
Nov 8 2004, 04:20 PM
I know for a fact that I can't create anything out of nothing, so how did the universe do the same?

You can say that about God, how did he get here? How did he make something out of nothing? If he can do it, why can't the universe? :huh:
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does that mean the Universe is god? then we as humans are doomed for the destruction to the planet that we've caused, because it's part of the universe.

If you read the bible, it says that the earth was created "In the begining". I don't know when the begining was, just as I don't know when the future will end, therefore, if the future is unending, why can't the past be unbeginning?

I can go on and on about how God exists because I feel him in my life, but I can't show you that feeling unless you try to accept it to.
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catfriedrice
Nov 8 2004, 09:20 AM
And SyringeX, Trav-man, Aldra (sp?), faded, those I may have missed, I appreciate you taking a stand for what you believe in.

I appreciate it too, but I also appreciate all those who are standing up for what they believe in even if it isn't the Christian doctrine, and I think you should as well :) Afterall it's the exact same thing - standing up for what you believe in.

And I don't see the universe as God in any way shape or form, but that could just be me. And much like you said if the future is unending, maybe the past is too and that can be true whether you believe in God or not. I don't know if it's true as we have no means to prove or disprove it, but that doesn't mean we never will.
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I love God more than anything. :)
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AgnosticAngel
Nov 8 2004, 12:30 PM
catfriedrice
Nov 8 2004, 09:20 AM
And SyringeX, Trav-man, Aldra (sp?), faded, those I may have missed, I appreciate you taking a stand for what you believe in.

I appreciate it too, but I also appreciate all those who are standing up for what they believe in even if it isn't the Christian doctrine, and I think you should as well :) Afterall it's the exact same thing - standing up for what you believe in.

And I don't see the universe as God in any way shape or form, but that could just be me. And much like you said if the future is unending, maybe the past is too and that can be true whether you believe in God or not. I don't know if it's true as we have no means to prove or disprove it, but that doesn't mean we never will.

I agree, I respect everyone's opinion. :angel:

Personally, I think that the big bang is 100% impossible. Not cause I'm Christian or anything, just cause I dont think that could ever happen. All it is, is a cute lil hypothisis(sp?). Now, if youre going to be an athiest then so be it but I just dont think the big bang cuts it as explaining how we got here. Only my oppinion though.
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The Big Bang is completely possible. In fact, evidence points to a primeval explosion as the beginning of the Universe.
For example, the red shift in distant nebulas suggests background radiation left over from an ancient explosion.
Also, Edwin Hubble observed that galaxies twice as far away from us are moving away from us twice as fast. Therefore, the distance of the galaxies is proportional to their velocity, meaning our Universe is ever expanding in all directions.
Additionally, the Big Bang says that there are about 10 protons left over after the formation of helium directly after the big bang. Each of those protons gained an electron and formed hydrogen atoms, agreeing with the 10 hydrogen atom for every helium atom combination of elements in our Universe today.
If you need further proof see this site.

The Big Bang theory is not a "cute lil hypothesis". A hypothesis is simply a guess, an educated one at best. A theory is something that has concrete proof behind it. The chances of a theory being true are greater than the chances of it being false.
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Nov 8 2004, 12:59 PM
The Big Bang is completely possible. In fact, evidence points to a primeval explosion as the beginning of the Universe.
For example, the red shift in distant nebulas suggests background radiation left over from an ancient explosion.
Also, Edwin Hubble observed that galaxies twice as far away from us are moving away from us twice as fast. Therefore, the distance of the galaxies is proportional to their velocity, meaning our Universe is ever expanding in all directions.
Additionally, the Big Bang says that there are about 10 protons left over after the formation of helium directly after the big bang. Each of those protons gained an electron and formed hydrogen atoms, agreeing with the 10 hydrogen atom for every helium atom combination of elements in our Universe today.
If you need further proof see this site.

The Big Bang theory is not a "cute lil hypothesis". A hypothesis is simply a guess, an educated one at best. A theory is something that has concrete proof behind it. The chances of a theory being true are greater than the chances of it being false.

I agree with everything you said till the very end and that's just has to do with the definition of a theory, so not really disagreement I suppose.

Yes a hypothesis is in a sense a guess - a guess to you set out to disprove. BUT a theory is what a hypothesis becomes when it cannot be disproved. This means the big bang theory has stood up against every attempt to disprove it, which in my opinion says a whole lot because a lot of people don't believe in it and try to disprove it. Also the comment about chances are it's more likely to be true or not - I would say 100% depends on the amount of testing that has gone into it, which depends on available funds, etc. This being such a controversial issue gets a lot more attention so I tend to believe it's on the right track even if it isn't 100% correct.
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Basically, it all boils down to two things. Faith and Reason.
Faith is what human beings use when they are either unable, unwilling, or undesirous of using reason.

Reason is what you can deduce from all around you and within you, without any faith.

If we were to start at the beginning, without any knowledge, it would be safe to say that humanity could grow with a completely different perspective on the universe's existence- one without a God.

Religion simply doesn't stand to reason. It requires blind faith- and blind faith is simply belief without true understanding, perception, or discrimination (Webster's New Millenium Dictionary of English). There is no way to prove the existence of God in a manner acceptable by all, at least not as things stand now. Absolutely none. But it is possible to present theories that are just as possible and probable and have yet (If they ever will be) to be disproven.

Faith can't prove God, but Reason can disprove him.
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