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What are your religious views and why
Topic Started: Nov 5 2004, 12:55 AM (3,354 Views)
Cadence
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Lucius
Nov 8 2004, 05:06 PM
Basically, it all boils down to two things. Faith and Reason.
Faith is what human beings use when they are either unable, unwilling, or undesirous of using reason.

Reason is what you can deduce from all around you and within you, without any faith.

If we were to start at the beginning, without any knowledge, it would be safe to say that humanity could grow with a completely different perspective on the universe's existence- one without a God.

Religion simply doesn't stand to reason. It requires blind faith- and blind faith is simply belief without true understanding, perception, or discrimination (Webster's New Millenium Dictionary of English). There is no way to prove the existence of God in a manner acceptable by all, at least not as things stand now. Absolutely none. But it is possible to present theories that are just as possible and probable and have yet (If they ever will be) to be disproven.

Faith can't prove God, but Reason can disprove him.

Blind faith?

Trust me, I would believe anything blindly, I cant stand here and give scientific fact about how God exists, but I cant tell you that I feel him, I know he's there. Without him I couldnt live my life.

and I'll say it again, to believe the big bang "theory"( :haha: ). You need at least as much faith as you do to believe that God exists. Think about it...do you think that an almighty God who is more complex then anything mankind can comprehend can make us? Or two rocks hitting each other?
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Nov 8 2004, 05:14 PM
and I'll say it again, to believe the big bang "theory"( :haha: ). You need at least as much faith as you do to believe that God exists. Think about it...do you think that an almighty God who is more complex then anything mankind can comprehend can make us? Or two rocks hitting each other?

The Big Bang is reason, not faith. Read my previous post before you post the same thing again.

The Big Bang is not about 2 rocks hitting each other. Maybe you should try to comprehend the Big Bang before denouncing it?

And where would such a complex and almighty God come from? Did he just appear out of nowhere? I don't find that very believable.
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Blind faith?

Trust me, I would believe anything blindly, I cant stand here and give scientific fact about how God exists, but I cant tell you that I feel him, I know he's there. Without him I couldnt live my life.


Pssh. I'm living quite well, thank you.
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Nov 8 2004, 05:27 PM
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Nov 8 2004, 05:14 PM
and I'll say it again, to believe the big bang "theory"( :haha: ). You need at least as much faith as you do to believe that God exists. Think about it...do you think that an almighty God who is more complex then anything mankind can comprehend can make us? Or two rocks hitting each other?

The Big Bang is reason, not faith. Read my previous post before you post the same thing again.

The Big Bang is not about 2 rocks hitting each other. Maybe you should try to comprehend the Big Bang before denouncing it?

And where would such a complex and almighty God come from? Did he just appear out of nowhere? I don't find that very believable.

I dont question God's greatness..he is. He wasnt made, how can the creator of everything be made, that doesnt make sence. God isnt human, humans need to be made and human things need to be made. God doesnt need to be made, he makes. You have to realize that God is much greater than humans.

and you know what I find hard to believe...how is it that the air we breath is composed of the perfect molecules? How is it that the sun is the perfect length away..did you know that if it was just a touch closer we'd burn, and if it was a touch further away we'd freeze? I could go on and on, its sooooo amazing how extremely complex our world is and I will never, NEVER, believe that it was by chance.

and lucious, I'm saying I need God :|
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Nov 8 2004, 03:34 PM
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Nov 8 2004, 05:27 PM
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Nov 8 2004, 05:14 PM
and I'll say it again, to believe the big bang "theory"( :haha: ). You need at least as much faith as you do to believe that God exists. Think about it...do you think that an almighty God who is more complex then anything mankind can comprehend can make us? Or two rocks hitting each other?

The Big Bang is reason, not faith. Read my previous post before you post the same thing again.

The Big Bang is not about 2 rocks hitting each other. Maybe you should try to comprehend the Big Bang before denouncing it?

And where would such a complex and almighty God come from? Did he just appear out of nowhere? I don't find that very believable.

I dont question God's greatness..he is. He wasnt made, how can the creator of everything be made, that doesnt make sence. God isnt human, humans need to be made and human things need to be made. God doesnt need to be made, he makes. You have to realize that God is much greater than humans.

and you know what I find hard to believe...how is it that the air we breath is composed of the perfect molecules? How is it that the sun is the perfect length away..did you know that if it was just a touch closer we'd burn, and if it was a touch further away we'd freeze? I could go on and on, its sooooo amazing how extremely complex our world is and I will never, NEVER, believe that it was by chance.

and lucious, I'm saying I need God :|

I understand what you're saying and all but it's funny because those are kind of the same reasons I don't believe. That we've found reasons why everything works so perfectly (i.e. gravitational pull with the sun example) without God existing. I just find it interesting that two people can interpret the same idea so differently :)
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AgnosticAngel
Nov 8 2004, 05:37 PM
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Nov 8 2004, 03:34 PM
Glitch
Nov 8 2004, 05:27 PM
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Nov 8 2004, 05:14 PM
and I'll say it again, to believe the big bang "theory"( :haha: ). You need at least as much faith as you do to believe that God exists. Think about it...do you think that an almighty God who is more complex then anything mankind can comprehend can make us? Or two rocks hitting each other?

The Big Bang is reason, not faith. Read my previous post before you post the same thing again.

The Big Bang is not about 2 rocks hitting each other. Maybe you should try to comprehend the Big Bang before denouncing it?

And where would such a complex and almighty God come from? Did he just appear out of nowhere? I don't find that very believable.

I dont question God's greatness..he is. He wasnt made, how can the creator of everything be made, that doesnt make sence. God isnt human, humans need to be made and human things need to be made. God doesnt need to be made, he makes. You have to realize that God is much greater than humans.

and you know what I find hard to believe...how is it that the air we breath is composed of the perfect molecules? How is it that the sun is the perfect length away..did you know that if it was just a touch closer we'd burn, and if it was a touch further away we'd freeze? I could go on and on, its sooooo amazing how extremely complex our world is and I will never, NEVER, believe that it was by chance.

and lucious, I'm saying I need God :|

I understand what you're saying and all but it's funny because those are kind of the same reasons I don't believe. That we've found reasons why everything works so perfectly (i.e. gravitational pull with the sun example) without God existing. I just find it interesting that two people can interpret the same idea so differently :)

Wait, I dont understand..

You think God doesnt exist because of the complexness of our world..? Please explain further becuase thats quite interesting.
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I dont question God's greatness..he is.

If you don't question it then how can you prove that he is real? Science is constantly being questioned, and theories like the Big Bang are constantly being modified to fit the newest evidence.
If you don't question then you are a blind follower. Blind followers aren't good, they've caused too much crap in the past (Crusades, Holocaust, etc)

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He wasnt made, how can the creator of everything be made, that doesnt make sence. God isnt human, humans need to be made and human things need to be made. God doesnt need to be made, he makes. You have to realize that God is much greater than humans.

So God just appeared out of thin air at the beginning of time?
Everything in the Universe is either matter or energy. If God is not made up of anything then he is not matter, then he is energy. Energy alone cannot create anything.

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and you know what I find hard to believe...how is it that the air we breath is composed of the perfect molecules?

Air is a chemical mixture. There is no such thing as "air molecules".

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How is it that the sun is the perfect length away..did you know that if it was just a touch closer we'd burn, and if it was a touch further away we'd freeze?

A touch? What is a touch? A millimeter or 30 million km? The Earth's orbit around the Sun is ellyptical, that means in... say, June, we're much closer to the Sun than we are in, say, January. I don't see everyone freezing or burning to death every January or June.

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I could go on and on, its sooooo amazing how extremely complex our world is and I will never, NEVER, believe that it was by chance.

The Universe is INFINITE. In an infinite Universe, EVERYTHING happens, no matter how small the chance.
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Wait, I dont understand..

You think God doesnt exist because of the complexness of our world..? Please explain further becuase thats quite interesting.


Not the complexity on it's own so much - But moreso how we have found reasons to explain a great deal of all those complexities we see around us and continue to understand more and more every day. That we realize why the Earth is in such a perfect position (the gravitational pull stuff) and even simpler stuff like how seasons work in relation to the tilt of the world, etc without ever needing to use God as the answer - that is what makes me believe in humanity rather than God.
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Nov 6 2004, 05:23 AM
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Nov 6 2004, 02:05 AM
Actually Jesus tell us to preach what he tought us.  Not thwst Christinaity os the only way.  Soi many chrsitinas get that wrong,

I attended a chrstin school for a year and bible study was the most intense class there,  This was before Ai realiuzed wht my true religios belifes are.

He told us to preach the good news. Which...is the gospel...which is that we can all recieve salvation by grace through faith by believing in Him. So, yes, we were supposed to preach his Message to the world, not the label Christianity. But, in his message he also said 'I am the way, the truth, and the Life. No one gets to the Father but by me.' (May not be the exact quote because I don't have a Bible handy and I am going by memory.) Anyways, there are no other religions that teach his same message the way he put it. So, Christianity is the only way, even tho it is a label type of thing. YOu know what I mean?


Get your bible and show the exact quote. Yes he does tecah that through his blessing you will reach hevan, but not to worship him. he tells us to tecah his tecahings, and not preach. teach not preach. There is a difference. jesus was not a god, nor did he ever claim to be god. Of God yes. But we al are of God. That is in Genisus.

Also, My cousin is a minsiter so I know all about it. He said that as long as you believe that Jesus sacrficed himself for you you will go to hevan. I believe he died on the cross to get the final message he was tecahing us across.

Do I believe in jesus? yes. I believe he was sent to tceha us by the Gods. He was given the body of a man. He was gieven the knowlage of the Gods. His mission was to tecah us.
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If you don't question it then how can you prove that he is real? Science is constantly being questioned, and theories like the Big Bang are constantly being modified to fit the newest evidence.
If you don't question then you are a blind follower. Blind followers aren't good, they've caused too much crap in the past (Crusades, Holocaust, etc)


I said I didnt question his greatness, you think I havent questioned God's existence? Everyone has, weather they like to admit it or not.

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So God just appeared out of thin air at the beginning of time?
Everything in the Universe is either matter or energy. If God is not made up of anything then he is not matter, then he is energy. Energy alone cannot create anything.


Again youre thinking of God as if he needs to be made like humans. God isnt energy, stop trying to explain God...you cant ok? He is God, he's not energy or matter or anything you can learn from your science book.

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Air is a chemical mixture. There is no such thing as "air molecules".


ok? You kinda knew what I meant...


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A touch? What is a touch? A millimeter or 30 million km? The Earth's orbit around the Sun is ellyptical, that means in... say, June, we're much closer to the Sun than we are in, say, January. I don't see everyone freezing or burning to death every January or June.


um...wow O_o Youre a very literal person. I meant if the placement of the sun was closer to the earth dude..

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The Universe is INFINITE. In an infinite Universe, EVERYTHING happens, no matter how small the chance.


Ok then, who made time? I mean seriously, everything has a starting point it cant be infinate both ways.
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My view is that you must beleive in what you want to beleive. If your best freind beleives in Hinduism. So be it. You have no right to judge in what he beleives.

Nothing has been prooved to be true. Nothing has been prooved to be false. As long as your happy with it. Thats all that matters.
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Again youre thinking of God as if he needs to be made like humans. God isnt energy, stop trying to explain God...you cant ok? He is God, he's not energy or matter or anything you can learn from your science book.

This isn't just something in your science book, it's a Universal law. Everything that exists in our physical world is either energy or matter. You cannot disprove that.

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um...wow  O_o  Youre a very literal person. I meant if the placement of the sun was closer to the earth dude..

Venus would actually probably be able to support life too if it weren't for it's thick CO2 atmosphere. And what evidence do you have that God placed the Earth where it is? Maybe it's a race of advanced aliens that watched over our solar system and made sure everything was in working order, not God? It's just as possible.

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Ok then, who made time? I mean serious, everything has a starting point it cant be infinate both ways.

Time is not made. Time is a dimension, just like length, width, and height. I don't think you can make length, or width.
And a line is infinite both ways. Like the number line, that extends for infinity in both directions.
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Nov 8 2004, 03:57 PM
My view is that you must beleive in what you want to beleive. If your best freind beleives in Hinduism. So be it. You have no right to judge in what he beleives.

Nothing has been prooved to be true. Nothing has been prooved to be false. As long as your happy with it. Thats all that matters.

Sounds like a good concept to me :)

That's similar to me, but I don't mind getting into debates from time to time - it's just for fun as more than likely niether person will ever admit defeat as they're personal beliefs.
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This isn't just something in your science book, it's a Universal law. Everything that exists in our physical world is either energy or matter. You cannot disprove that.


Youre right, I cant disprove that, it is a universal law. Is God in our universe though?



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Venus would actually probably be able to support life too if it weren't for it's thick CO2 atmosphere. And what evidence do you have that God placed the Earth where it is? Maybe it's a race of advanced aliens that watched over our solar system and made sure everything was in working order, not God? It's just as possible.


Of course its possible, anythings possible, but for me, I'll go with God not aliens.

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Time is not made. Time is a dimension, just like length, width, and height. I don't think you can make length, or width.
And a line is infinite both ways. Like the number line, that extends for infinity in both directions.


Of course this is just a human concept, we cant make time so we think it cant be made right? Time has to be made somehow or started, otherwise there is nothing.
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Nov 8 2004, 10:57 PM
My view is that you must beleive in what you want to beleive. If your best freind beleives in Hinduism. So be it. You have no right to judge in what he beleives.

Nothing has been prooved to be true. Nothing has been prooved to be false. As long as your happy with it. Thats all that matters.

I like the way you think. To many people think that you have ti believe in what they say you have to believe. I will teach people about my religion but i will not tell them what to believe. Actually I prefer to ask about and learn about other peoples religions and belifs as well.

The more you know the more you can be aware and better defend your own belifs. Atleast I would wnat to be able to better defend myself aginst those who despise wicca and say it is the work of Satan. i dont think that they have done any reserch. I would love to tecah them.

You should always have an open mind when it comes to discussions about religion. Otherwise every one is going to get upset at some time or another and you will not ever wnat to talk about your religion and topic again.

I can see this as the reason why many people dont ever like to discuss religion and those belifs. An ignorant person in religios belifs is better to keep silent in discussions and poke in only when they know what they are talking about.
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