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Woman Amputates Infants Arms, Dies
Topic Started: Nov 23 2004, 05:19 PM (474 Views)
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Nov 23 2004, 05:06 PM
Many women exerience postpartum depression up to a year after the birth of a baby. I don't think they can truly be held accountable for their actions, just as a mentally insane person could not be held responsible for their actions.

But yes, this is barbaric.

Umm, she is responsible... the brain can be functioned correctly by anyone, but some choose to let it take over there lives. Everyone, and I repeat EVERYONE knows right from wrong.

Insane people are not insane, there just dumb as hell. They know not to do stuff when there told. It's common sense not to cut off your own childs arm, or even harm your child. No animal including humans would purposly harm there child even if they were insane... it's dumb and she wasn't thinking at all... complete stupidity. She needs to have her arms cut off and forced to live alone in a room while watching videos of her child being born.

If you ask her what 2+2 is and she can answer that, then trust me, she knows right from wrong. Everyone does.

Insane is an ignorant excuss, for anyone
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Umm, she is responsible... the brain can be functioned correctly by anyone, but some choose to let it take over there lives. Everyone, and I repeat EVERYONE knows right from wrong.

Does a newborn baby know right from wrong? I don't think so.

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Insane people are not insane, there just dumb as hell. They know not to do stuff when there told. It's common sense not to cut off your own childs arm, or even harm your child. No animal including humans would purposly harm there child even if they were insane... it's dumb and she wasn't thinking at all... complete stupidity. She needs to have her arms cut off and forced to live alone in a room while watching videos of her child being born.

Some animals, including humans, will eat their children if hungry enough. And last I checked you can't torture someone for stupidity.

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If you ask her what 2+2 is and she can answer that, then trust me, she knows right from wrong. Everyone does.

2+2 is logic. It's not affected by depression. Decision making skills are affected by depression.
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That woman is sick. I just want to- ugh, nevermind.
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Nov 23 2004, 04:06 PM
Many women exerience postpartum depression up to a year after the birth of a baby. I don't think they can truly be held accountable for their actions, just as a mentally insane person could not be held responsible for their actions.

But yes, this is barbaric.

She did it, so she should be held responsible. I'm sure there have been other women with severe cases of postpartum depression whom haven't ended with the decapitation of a child's arms. If she neglected to see the symptoms of her behavior and seeking treatment, then it's her own ignorance that should be at fault.

And if a mentally insane person killed someone (which they have), I believe that they should be held accountable and kept locked up in some sort of facility.
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Nov 23 2004, 05:57 PM
She did it, so she should be held responsible. I'm sure there have been other women with severe cases of postpartum depression whom haven't ended with the decapitation of a child's arms. If she neglected to see the symptoms of her behavior and seeking treatment, then it's her own ignorance that should be at fault.

And if a mentally insane person killed someone (which they have), I believe that they should be held accountable and kept locked up in some sort of facility.

I'm not saying she should just be allowed to walk free like that. Yes, she did commit murder, and should be punished for it. But there's no reason to cut off her own arms and return the crime like that.

You've got to realize, there were other factors influencing her decision. I believe in taking responsibility for your own actions, but you cannot make someone suffer when they may have not made a completely conscious decision.
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Nov 23 2004, 05:01 PM
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Nov 23 2004, 05:57 PM
She did it, so she should be held responsible. I'm sure there have been other women with severe cases of postpartum depression whom haven't ended with the decapitation of a child's arms. If she neglected to see the symptoms of her behavior and seeking treatment, then it's her own ignorance that should be at fault.

And if a mentally insane person killed someone (which they have), I believe that they should be held accountable and kept locked up in some sort of facility.

I'm not saying she should just be allowed to walk free like that. Yes, she did commit murder, and should be punished for it. But there's no reason to cut off her own arms and return the crime like that.

You've got to realize, there were other factors influencing her decision. I believe in taking responsibility for your own actions, but you cannot make someone suffer when they may have not made a completely conscious decision.

I can get what you mean. I just believe that she should be locked up in some sort of facility (Mental home or prison). I could really only understand her actions if the depression lead her to lose her touch with reality, which only happens in sever cases.
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Does a newborn baby know right from wrong? I don't think so.


That has nothing to do with a grown person, and you know it... don't use little facts that have nothing to do with this situation to defend it... It was becuase she chose to do something she shouldn't have. And she does know right from wrong, depressed or not. It's not an excuss, becuase she is entitled to get help if it's needed. Nobody needs to hold her hand and help her, just like everyone else in this world. Some people are sick, yes, it's true, but they seek help when needed, and those who don't, choose not to mainly becuase there in denial. Denial is just yourself acting stupid and not listening to reason.

She did something stupid from her own decision making. It's her fault 100% and nobody elses, even if her brain forced her. It's her brain, and her actions. Deal with it !!



EDIT: Consider this... right from wrong is obviously not the problem here. The brain learns or it doesn't... its not going to pick up on 'how to chop off an arm' but not 'hey, don't be f-ing stupid'. If she knows how to chop off an arm of a baby, then she also knows how to use a knife. If she knows how to use a knife, then her brain functions fine.
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That has nothing to do with a grown person, and you know it... don't use little facts that have nothing to do with this situation to defend it... It was becuase she chose to do something she shouldn't have. And she does know right from wrong, depressed or not. It's not an excuss, becuase she is entitled to get help if it's needed. Nobody needs to hold her hand and help her, just like everyone else in this world. Some people are sick, yes, it's true, but they seek help when needed, and those who don't, choose not to mainly becuase there in denial. Denial is just yourself acting stupid and not listening to reason.

If you read the article you would know that the doctors said she was fine. She sought help already, and was brushed aside.

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She did something stupid from her own decision making. It's her fault 100% and nobody elses, even if her brain forced her. It's her brain, and her actions. Deal with it !!

It's her fault and her decision, but the decision may have been influenced by other factors. And if we're all deeming this act barbaric why are you suggesting that we return the act? If we did the same to her wouldn't we be barbaric too?
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no becuase it's barbaric that she did it to someone INNOCENT... she's not
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Nov 23 2004, 06:12 PM
no becuase it's barbaric that she did it to someone INNOCENT... she's not

Let's say it's wintertime and you're driving on the road. You're speeding too fast, and ignoring the signs that tell you the road may be frozen. Then you hit some ice and start sliding. You lose control of the car and you hit a person and kill them.
Now we're going to tie you to a tree and crash a car into you as your punishment.

There are serial killers who torture and rape their victims before killing them. Do we torture and rape them in return? I don't think so. It's barbaric. It's something that I and most other rational people in this world would condemn deeply, even if the victim is guilty.
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Wow....I don't know what to say. That's just horrible. Whatever they do with the lady, well, I hope its not too light. To have such an intension to do something like so is just sickening! Unfortunately, I guess there are people just like that. :/ :unaware:
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Regarding that road scenario...

first of all, we know that's not the same. That's an accident, and what she did was not an accident. Accidents are accidents and chopping someone's arm off is no accident. It's takes planning (whether sub-conscience planning or not), and it takes time to execute. Neigther of which are performed when dealing with accidents, such as your example.

Post a real example that we can refer to for this type of situation, and then we'll debate some more.

(btw, glad we are keeping this under control... most members would start flamming by now lmao)
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Let's say it's wintertime and you're driving on the road. You're speeding too fast, and ignoring the signs that tell you the road may be frozen. Then you hit some ice and start sliding. You lose control of the car and you hit a person and kill them.
Now we're going to tie you to a tree and crash a car into you as your punishment.

There are serial killers who torture and rape their victims before killing them. Do we torture and rape them in return? I don't think so. It's barbaric. It's something that I and most other rational people in this world would condemn deeply, even if the victim is guilty.


Those are two whole different stories. I'll tell you one thing though, I'm almost positive that lady didn't just "slip" and cut those baby's arms off! :/
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first of all, we know that's not the same. That's an accident, and what she did was not an accident. Accidents are accidents and chopping someone's arm off is no accident. It's takes planning (whether sub-conscience planning or not), and it takes time to execute. Neigther of which are performed when dealing with accidents, such as your example.

Why was it an accident? You were given warning. The road could've been frozen. You were the one who chose to speed. By your definition it wouldn't have been an accident, because apparently you were saying that conditions influencing a decision didn't matter.
She knew that she suffered from postpartum depression, but the doctors said she was fine. What more could she have done?
And in case you didn't know, our law system is "innocent until proven guilty". Unless it can be proven that she did it as a fully conscious decision not affected by her condition then you cannot prosecute her for something like first-degree murder, that is, intentional murder with previous plans to do so.

And... sub-conscious plans? You and me and every person on this planet have no way of controlling our sub-conscious. Most of us have no way of interpreting it either.
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I'm sorry, I read too fast, I didn't read the 'speeding' part. you are correct, that is the same. She does deserve punishment. She is aware that speeding causes death if she hits someone, so she knows what can happen and she can control it.

So yes, she should be delt with.


edit: regarding the sub-conscious plans are able to be controlled, but not the way you are referring to. You can set them in your brain to be read a particular way, such as knowing right-from-wrong. When you rembmer your kids b-day at age 2 you don't put that memory in your brain incorrectly unless you want to. The brain reads from the sub-conscious memorys as blocks of readable memory only... like ROM kinda... well that's a bad analogy
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