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A question for all religions
Topic Started: Feb 11 2005, 12:10 PM (1,075 Views)
angelcrusherex
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Mr. President please understand, it really is that bad.
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The Big Bang isn't unbeleivable. Scientists across the globe believe in it. Scientists are the disciples of the facts of life, death, and the lack thereof, which makes their opinion mean a lot more to me that the millions of people that blindly claim, "Yeah I believe in God, I dunno why or how, but I beleive."

Honestly, I don't know how people like you can believe in a higher power. How can there be something that is all powerful and able the bend reality to its liking? Why have we not seen any proof of its existance? Why do countless people live their lives for a book written so long ago that no one can be cited with ownership? Come on people, it's a good book, but live your life how you want to. I feel sad when I think of the lives of priests and ministers that do nothing but go to church. They commited their lives to serving the Lord so they might go to heaven, yet their "soul", as many put it, dies with their body. The soul that people speak of is nothing but your brain. It makes you, you. When your heart stops, your brain dies, leaving nothing but decaying body parts. How people conclude that this minute synapsis leaves the body somehow, we may never know, but I'm tired of seeing lives wasted because of a false promise of eternal happiness in some great place that is beyond our comprehension.
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Melancholic
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Feb 12 2005, 06:31 PM
Ok then, you only believe what you believe because you were influenced. If Parents, friends and other social influences lead you to your religious path, who's to say that Parents, friends and other social influences dont lead you to atheism? Please share with me all the studies you have done on how we got here and all of the "proof" you've come up with. ;)

What I was trying to say is that most people in mainstream religions copied their beliefs from their enviroment. :ermm:
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Cadence
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The Big Bang isn't unbeleivable. Scientists across the globe believe in it. Scientists are the disciples of the facts of life, death, and the lack thereof, which makes their opinion mean a lot more to me that the millions of people that blindly claim, "Yeah I believe in God, I dunno why or how, but I beleive."


Scientists are proven wrong time and time again. I've never been proven wrong, and I never will. Because it cant be proven or proven wrong.

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Honestly, I don't know how people like you can believe in a higher power. How can there be something that is all powerful and able the bend reality to its liking? Why have we not seen any proof of its existance?


Sure, God could pop down on earth and make his pressence known to all mankind. But then, what would he have? He would have a bunch of people who believe only because they see, he wants us to have true faith and love. Besides, I have seen proof of his exitence, all around me :D

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Why do countless people live their lives for a book written so long ago that no one can be cited with ownership? Come on people, it's a good book, but live your life how you want to.


Yes, it was written long ago, but right after it was written and began to spread across the world it was believed and followed. Its not like we just found it in a cave a decided to follow a book we know nothing about.

and I do live my life how I want to, I want to follow the bible with all my heart.

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but I'm tired of seeing lives wasted because of religion.


Wasted? I have a purpose...thank you very much.

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What I was trying to say is that most people in mainstream religions copied their beliefs from their enviroment. e_ermm.gif


Yes, I agree. But its not the case with all.
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angelcrusherex
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Mr. President please understand, it really is that bad.
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I've never been proven wrong, and I never will.


Damn man, are you really that arrogant? You're religion is one of millions, who are you to say that your's is the right one. Each of them was made to give people hope. To give people someone to ask for help and to let them think that they are never alone. The truth is, you ARE alone, the miracles you witness are events of incredible fortune, miracles of nature, not God. Religion is there to provide assistance for the weak-minded. If you need someone to pray to, someone that you do not know and have not met to be at peace, you need a friend or a parental figure, not religion.
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Cadence
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First of all, please do not take just bits and parts of my posts. I also posted that my belief has not been proven at all and I understand that.

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you ARE alone, the miracles you witness are events of incredible fortune, miracles of nature, not God.


Says who? :huh:

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Religion is there to provide assistance for the weak-minded. If you need someone to pray to, someone that you do not know and have not met to be at peace, you need a friend or a parental figure, not religion.



I have plenty of friends and I love my parents... :unaware:

I consider myself a strong minded person so dont judge someone you dont even know.

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Damn man, are you really that arrogant? You're religion is one of millions, who are you to say that your's is the right one.


Who's to say it isnt? Like I said before, I have no problem with people thinking I'm mislead and I dont have a problem with people believing different things. Thats their choice and I respect it. The point is, that if you believe somthing you should take it seriously and believe it strongly. Believe what you believe.
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the only thing i find that is completely stupid, is the fact that people are too ignorant to see that the god worshipped in islam, and the god worshipped in christianity are the same. ive seen it all too often, and even wars have come about over it :/
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Feb 12 2005, 02:11 PM
the only thing i find that is completely stupid, is the fact that people are too ignorant to see that the god worshipped in islam, and the god worshipped in christianity are the same. ive seen it all too often, and even wars have come about over it :/

We worship the same God, but they dont believe Jesus was the son of God, it a totally different belief.
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but there are those that think its not the same god, and thats stupidity :/

and no, they dont think he is, they consider him one of the many prophets of god, Mohammed being the last great prophet. :)
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angelcrusherex
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Mr. President please understand, it really is that bad.
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Both of my parents are devout Christians and think I'm going to hell just because I am not. It makes me sad that I am categorized and discriminated against for not believing in something so out-there. People think of me different at school, that is to be expected. People think of me different elsewhere, I can handle it. But in my own family... that is the straw that broke the camel's back (that's a stupid cliche but it's just for my point). That's when I said, "This needs to be stopped." I'm going to research creation and religion to develop a better understanding and maybe even put this arguement to rest. But until then, all I can do is question with harsh sarcasm, which obviously doesn't do anything but piss people off.

So until then, I'm out. Plus, I have to go, so... lates.
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Cadence
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angelcrusherex
Feb 12 2005, 02:19 PM
Both of my parents are devout Christians and think I'm going to hell just because I am not. It makes me sad that I am categorized and discriminated against for not believing in something so out-there. People think of me different at school, that is to be expected. People think of me different elsewhere, I can handle it. But in my own family... that is the straw that broke the camel's back (that's a stupid cliche but it's just for my point). That's when I said, "This needs to be stopped." I'm going to research creation and religion to develop a better understanding and maybe even put this arguement to rest. But until then, all I can do is question with harsh sarcasm, which obviously doesn't do anything but piss people off.

So until then, I'm out. Plus, I have to go, so... lates.

I can see why that would be hard to handle. :(


Sorry if I've said anything really arrogant or annoying, I get carried away sometimes :S
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Feb 12 2005, 02:23 PM
angelcrusherex
Feb 12 2005, 02:19 PM
Both of my parents are devout Christians and think I'm going to hell just because I am not. It makes me sad that I am categorized and discriminated against for not believing in something so out-there. People think of me different at school, that is to be expected. People think of me different elsewhere, I can handle it. But in my own family... that is the straw that broke the camel's back (that's a stupid cliche but it's just for my point). That's when I said, "This needs to be stopped." I'm going to research creation and religion to develop a better understanding and maybe even put this arguement to rest. But until then, all I can do is question with harsh sarcasm, which obviously doesn't do anything but piss people off.

So until then, I'm out. Plus, I have to go, so... lates.

I can see why that would be hard to handle. :(


Sorry if I've said anything really arrogant or annoying, I get carried away sometimes :S

i think its just that i am so sick of religion topics, nothing good ever comes form them...ever. so yeah...<_<
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Cadence
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SamuraiX Hiko
Feb 12 2005, 02:25 PM
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Feb 12 2005, 02:23 PM
angelcrusherex
Feb 12 2005, 02:19 PM
Both of my parents are devout Christians and think I'm going to hell just because I am not. It makes me sad that I am categorized and discriminated against for not believing in something so out-there. People think of me different at school, that is to be expected. People think of me different elsewhere, I can handle it. But in my own family... that is the straw that broke the camel's back (that's a stupid cliche but it's just for my point). That's when I said, "This needs to be stopped." I'm going to research creation and religion to develop a better understanding and maybe even put this arguement to rest. But until then, all I can do is question with harsh sarcasm, which obviously doesn't do anything but piss people off.

So until then, I'm out. Plus, I have to go, so... lates.

I can see why that would be hard to handle. :(


Sorry if I've said anything really arrogant or annoying, I get carried away sometimes :S

i think its just that i am so sick of religion topics, nothing good ever comes form them...ever. so yeah...<_<

I agree, but I suppose its our own faults for going off-topic of the original question. :r

With that being said I suggest we continue with the orignal question of this topic.
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faded
Feb 12 2005, 02:26 PM
SamuraiX Hiko
Feb 12 2005, 02:25 PM
faded
Feb 12 2005, 02:23 PM
angelcrusherex
Feb 12 2005, 02:19 PM
Both of my parents are devout Christians and think I'm going to hell just because I am not. It makes me sad that I am categorized and discriminated against for not believing in something so out-there. People think of me different at school, that is to be expected. People think of me different elsewhere, I can handle it. But in my own family... that is the straw that broke the camel's back (that's a stupid cliche but it's just for my point). That's when I said, "This needs to be stopped." I'm going to research creation and religion to develop a better understanding and maybe even put this arguement to rest. But until then, all I can do is question with harsh sarcasm, which obviously doesn't do anything but piss people off.

So until then, I'm out. Plus, I have to go, so... lates.

I can see why that would be hard to handle. :(


Sorry if I've said anything really arrogant or annoying, I get carried away sometimes :S

i think its just that i am so sick of religion topics, nothing good ever comes form them...ever. so yeah...<_<

I agree, but I suppose its our own faults for going off-topic of the original question. :r

With that being said I suggest we continue with the orignal question of this topic.

k then...

about the question of what comes to mind when i hear pagan...

i remember the old cop movie....(i cant quite remember, dragnet maybe, it had tom hanks and um.....the guy form blues brothers and my girl...i used to know his name >.<) when theyre investigating the pagan rituals and such >_>
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I'm not going to get into the debate you two started, but I'm going to state the opinion of an outsider to this (keep in mind that I believe in god and that's it, not the bible, not the torah, just some form of higher being that is better than the human race):

Heavily leaning members of any religion make me sick. They make it sound as if their religion is the only thing you CAN believe. Honestly, even if heaven and hell DO exist, you wouldn't get in by being a Christian (I’ll use Christianity as an example) or any other religion. If that was true, then you all are hypocrites. I haven't heard of one Christian who supports the Holocaust. But in the Holocaust, millions upon millions of Jewish citizens of Germany were killed unfairly and with no regard for human life.

Are you saying that just because their beliefs are different from yours, all the children and women and great Jewish men that were killed went to hell? Are you saying that if Hitler were a Christian he would go to heaven above them? Are you saying that an atheist who does hundreds upon thousands of good things for the world every day will go to hell while a normal, everyday Christian who does tons of wrong and somewhat sinful (not too bad, though) things will go to heaven just because he believes that Jesus was the son of God? 1 belief doesn't change a person. This applies to the logic used by every religion.

Of course, some Atheists are no better. They act like Christians are lower forms of being; all of them mad and deranged assholes that don't deserve any sort of comfort or understanding. However, categorizing Atheists is different than Christians, mostly because Atheists are far different people than Christians. It's still irritating when some Atheists act like a jerk to religious folk just because they think that it's not correct. I mean, I don't really believe Jesus was the Son of God more than any other man on earth, but do I go up to Christians and say "Well, you suck because you believe differently." In reality, those who talk snidely and shake their head just because they think someone believes differently than them are the ones who I hate, whether they be Atheist, Pagan, Christian, or any other religion. They could just say that in their head without broadcasting to the world that they don't have a hint of compassion for the ones who just want to live their life as they believe without being troubled by other people and their religious beliefs.

Sorry for getting off tangant.

Oh, and to answer the posters original question... what do I think? I think of an awesome hippy environmentalist that kicks major ***.
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Are you saying that just because their beliefs are different from yours, all the children and women and great Jewish men that were killed went to hell?


Thats God's decision IMO. I guess I kinda believe differently then most Christians. I dont think just because your Jewish means you go to hell. I think thats somthing we cant really say, God is the judge of who goes to heaven and who doesnt, not us.
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