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The right to live?
Topic Started: Jun 10 2005, 11:27 AM (670 Views)
Clair
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My grandad currently is very ill and close to dying, my Mother and Aunt have given instructions 'Do not resucitate' being as he is so ill and is in a fair amount of pain. He is on Morphine for the pain, has no pulse in his legs and gangrene in his toe(which wont spread since there is no circulation in his legs) so his life is not very comfortable which is obviously why if the worst came to the worst, my Mum would prefer him to die peacefully without being resucitated. My question is this, do you think no matter how sick someone is they should be given another chance to live or do you think its fair and kinder to let them die peacefully. I'm on the fence on this one because I always have hope no matter how sick someone might be, at the same time I can understand it.
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It's a really hard topic to comment on. I mean, I'd want to give the person what the truly wanted/needed. Whether it be to hold on a little longer or to just let them go.

We need to advance technology so that we can understand what one's thoughts are in this stage of passing on. It would sure be an advancement.

To the topic, I believe getting someone whom knows the person well, and asking them what they think should be done, would be a good thing to do I guess. I'm not sure else could be done.
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I would chose no.Take this instance:

a 2 year old girl had fallen into a pool and drowned.Her parents called the ambulance and had her ruushed to the hospital.She was dead,bottom line.One of the nurses insisted on bringing her back.She tried and tried and tried and finally brought her back.Now,she lays there,limp as a piece of cheese becuase she is brain dead.She can't support herself for the rest of her life.

I know your loved one is your loved one and you will miss them.But you have to realize that they are in pain and need to pass on so they can be in peace.
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Itallia
Jun 10 2005, 04:18 PM
I would chose no.Take this instance:

a 2 year old girl had fallen into a pool and drowned.Her parents called the ambulance and had her ruushed to the hospital.She was dead,bottom line.One of the nurses insisted on bringing her back.She tried and tried and tried and finally brought her back.Now,she lays there,limp as a piece of cheese becuase she is brain dead.She can't support herself for the rest of her life.

I know your loved one is your loved one and you will miss them.But you have to realize that they are in pain and need to pass on so they can be in peace.

I agree 100%.
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If someone is very ill where they will be dead vey soon, they should just pass away.
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I feel that if there is no chance of having a normal life just pull the plug on them. It's alot better than just letting them rot on a hospital bed.
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I feel that if a person is suffering badly, and has no chance of survival without a life support machine, then I think they should switch it off. I know how horrible that sounds.

Off course, I wouldnt want this done to a loved one if such a thing happened though.
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I would rather die than be braindead for my entire life. Death isnt bad if you are christian, because you will get to move on to a better place.
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Pull the plug. I'd rather die than live my life as a vegetable. I'm not the religious type, but it would be unfair to Mr Destiny aswell.
Unfortunately, it's illegal to die in England (quite literally), you can be arrested for attempted suicide, conspiracy to aid someone to commit suicide, and to die in hospital when your life could be potentially "saved" (vegetated state).
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Lugiatm
Jun 10 2005, 06:22 PM
Pull the plug. I'd rather die than live my life as a vegetable. I'm not the religious type, but it would be unfair to Mr Destiny aswell.
Unfortunately, it's illegal to die in England (quite literally), you can be arrested for attempted suicide, conspiracy to aid someone to commit suicide, and to die in hospital when your life could be potentially "saved" (vegetated state).

Btw I dont know if you misunderstood my post? But my Grandads not plugged into anythign O_o If he has another bad stroke the Doctors have been told to not try and save him again thats all.
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I had that exact experience with my grandfather this year. He was sick with pneumonia, and stayed in bed. That caused liquid to form in his lungs and blood vessels, cutting off his oxygen. That basically turned him into a vegetable after a week. Horrible thing to watch....

I agree totally with letting someone pass on, whether due to pain, a vegetative state, or anything else damaging to their health or well-being as "normal" people.
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Jun 10 2005, 06:26 PM
I had that exact experience with my grandfather this year. He was sick with pneumonia, and stayed in bed. That caused liquid to form in his lungs and blood vessels, cutting off his oxygen. That basically turned him into a vegetable after a week. Horrible thing to watch....

I agree totally with letting someone pass on, whether due to pain, a vegetative state, or anything else damaging to their health or well-being as "normal" people.

I'm sorry to hear that :(

I do agree with letting someone be at peace, its the kindest thing to do even though it must also be very hard to do also.
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My second cousin had severe cerebal palsey (sp?) because she had stopped breathing on several occasions for extended periods of time. From then on, she had to be carried everywhere, fed through a tube and always had difficulties breathing. In an attempt to make her life as comfortable as possible, the doctors at Great Ormand Street Hospital in London performed several operations which were very painful for her to recover from.

A couple of months ago, she died in her sleep, aged 2 1/2. Even her parents admitted at her funeral at least this way she won't have to fight through anymore operations, or have any more of the struggles she faced.

With that being said, I'm all for letting people die peacefully rather than forcing them to live a painful life (since most of the time they cannot communicate).

If you're against it, place yourself in this position: you are a terminally ill patient in a quiet ward in hospital. You can't move, you can't speak, you can't eat normally, you are in constant pain and you know you have nothing to live for. One night, you drift off to sleep, during which your heart stops. Would you rather drift off to death peacefully, die painfully after several resusitation attempts, or live like you had done before you fell asleep?

I don't know about you, but I would like to be left alone as I drift to wherever death takes you.
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Jun 10 2005, 06:32 PM
My second cousin had severe cerebal palsey (sp?) because she had stopped breathing on several occasions for extended periods of time. From then on, she had to be carried everywhere, fed through a tube and always had difficulties breathing. In an attempt to make her life as comfortable as possible, the doctors at Great Ormand Street Hospital in London performed several operations which were very painful for her to recover from.

A couple of months ago, she died in her sleep, aged 2 1/2. Even her parents admitted at her funeral at least this way she won't have to fight through anymore operations, or have any more of the struggles she faced.

With that being said, I'm all for letting people die peacefully rather than forcing them to live a painful life (since most of the time they cannot communicate).

If you're against it, place yourself in this position: you are a terminally ill patient in a quiet ward in hospital. You can't move, you can't speak, you can't eat normally, you are in constant pain and you know you have nothing to live for. One night, you drift off to sleep, during which your heart stops. Would you rather drift off to death peacefully, die painfully after several resusitation attempts, or live like you had done before you fell asleep?

I don't know about you, but I would like to be left alone as I drift to wherever death takes you.

I agree with you also and sorry to hear about your Cousin :(

I was talking to my Paternal Grandma who is now Widowed since the death of my other Grandad a month ago, she was telling me how she would have preffered him to be in a Hospice in his final days rather than have needles stuck in him all the time. Like she said, he would have been more at peace that way and I agree with that. Spending your final days in hosptial in an attempt to save your life when death is inevitable.
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If people kept everybody alive in comas, we'd run out of room. People are suppose to die, that's what's slowing down over population. Although it's still going to happen anyway.
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