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Veganism
Topic Started: Jun 10 2005, 04:18 PM (582 Views)
finch
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Innocence
Jun 10 2005, 09:49 PM
Humans have eaten meat since the beginning of time.

They've also killed, stolen and raped since the beginning of time too..

I believed I've answered most of your other points up there too. ^

But I respect your decision. I hate having views pushed down my throat, too.
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Jun 10 2005, 09:53 PM
I don't think we were made to eat meat. If we were, wouldn't we have carnivirous teeth?

We do have caniverous teeth - that's what the canines are for.

I personally hate it when people try to press their beliefs on others. We all have different opinions and that's that.
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Jun 10 2005, 09:56 PM
Vulcan
Jun 10 2005, 09:53 PM
I don't think we were made to eat meat. If we were, wouldn't we have carnivirous teeth?

We do have caniverous teeth - that's what the canines are for.

We can digest meat, but our digestive systems are different to carnivorous animals: our guts are longer (so we can digest lots of plant materials) and our teeth are not designed to slice and tear flesh. Our teeth and mouths are the wrong shape to be able to kill and hold captive struggling prey (compare our jaw shape and teeth to a lion – or your pet cat or dog!). That’s why humans cook meat before eating it and why we’re no good at crunching and munching uncooked bones. As for our sharp teeth, gorillas are entirely vegetarian – as are almost all primates – and yet have far longer and sharper canine teeth than human beings...

As for your other comment, I hope you don't think this thread is pressuring you into becoming a vegetarian. I just wanted to see everyone's views, etc. :(
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Slayer
Jun 10 2005, 04:59 PM
MasterG
Jun 10 2005, 09:56 PM
Vulcan
Jun 10 2005, 09:53 PM
I don't think we were made to eat meat. If we were, wouldn't we have carnivirous teeth?

We do have caniverous teeth - that's what the canines are for.

We can digest meat, but our digestive systems are different to carnivorous animals: our guts are longer (so we can digest lots of plant materials) and our teeth are not designed to slice and tear flesh. Our teeth and mouths are the wrong shape to be able to kill and hold captive struggling prey (compare our jaw shape and teeth to a lion – or your pet cat or dog!). That’s why humans cook meat before eating it and why we’re no good at crunching and munching uncooked bones. As for our sharp teeth, gorillas are entirely vegetarian – as are almost all primates – and yet have far longer and sharper canine teeth than human beings...

As for your other comment, I hope you don't think this thread is pressuring you into becoming a vegetarian. I just wanted to see everyone's views, etc. :(

Um... no.

Our teeth are designed to tear through meat. Our whole mouth is. It's good for meat and vege's.
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Jun 10 2005, 04:56 PM
Vulcan
Jun 10 2005, 09:53 PM
I don't think we were made to eat meat. If we were, wouldn't we have carnivirous teeth?

We do have caniverous teeth - that's what the canines are for.

I personally hate it when people try to press their beliefs on others. We all have different opinions and that's that.

That's only 4 when lions have all of their teeth sharp.
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Hey, vegans are cool with me, although I'm not one myself.
I say good for vegans :)

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Slayer
Jun 10 2005, 09:59 PM
MasterG
Jun 10 2005, 09:56 PM
Vulcan
Jun 10 2005, 09:53 PM
I don't think we were made to eat meat. If we were, wouldn't we have carnivirous teeth?

We do have caniverous teeth - that's what the canines are for.

We can digest meat, but our digestive systems are different to carnivorous animals: our guts are longer (so we can digest lots of plant materials) and our teeth are not designed to slice and tear flesh. Our teeth and mouths are the wrong shape to be able to kill and hold captive struggling prey (compare our jaw shape and teeth to a lion – or your pet cat or dog!). That’s why humans cook meat before eating it and why we’re no good at crunching and munching uncooked bones. As for our sharp teeth, gorillas are entirely vegetarian – as are almost all primates – and yet have far longer and sharper canine teeth than human beings...

As for your other comment, I hope you don't think this thread is pressuring you into becoming a vegetarian. I just wanted to see everyone's views, etc. :(

I cant speak for anyone else, Slayer. But that isnt what I thought about this thread, so dont worry :D
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Jun 10 2005, 03:55 PM
Innocence
Jun 10 2005, 09:49 PM
Humans have eaten meat since the beginning of time.

They've also killed, stolen and raped since the beginning of time too..

True. But that has nothing to do with survival (unless you count murdering in self-defense), that has more to do with the psyche of the person- none of those things you listed benefits their growth and development. It would be hard to deny that humans get health benefits from eating meat, plus it tastes good. Not everyone feels strongly enough about animal rights to give up something that is healthy and good tasting, especially since the animal species that we eat do not appear to be in danger. I agree that the methods can be cruel, however.
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Jun 10 2005, 09:59 PM
MasterG
Jun 10 2005, 09:56 PM
Vulcan
Jun 10 2005, 09:53 PM
I don't think we were made to eat meat. If we were, wouldn't we have carnivirous teeth?

We do have caniverous teeth - that's what the canines are for.

We can digest meat, but our digestive systems are different to carnivorous animals: our guts are longer (so we can digest lots of plant materials) and our teeth are not designed to slice and tear flesh. Our teeth and mouths are the wrong shape to be able to kill and hold captive struggling prey (compare our jaw shape and teeth to a lion – or your pet cat or dog!). That’s why humans cook meat before eating it and why we’re no good at crunching and munching uncooked bones. As for our sharp teeth, gorillas are entirely vegetarian – as are almost all primates – and yet have far longer and sharper canine teeth than human beings...

I know I'm only pointing out one thing about that post, but anyway...

You say our mouths are not designed to slice meat, and yet that's the precise reason we have incisors (sp?).

The molars are the teeth used to eat vegetables, which is the reason why herbivores have teeth similar in shape to them. The incisors are at the front of the mouth since that's where we can achieve the greatest force on food i.e. eating tough meat. The molars are at the back since we don't need to exert as much force on vegetables in order to get them crushed down into manageable sizes.

If you like physics, you'll understand better.
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MasterG
Jun 10 2005, 10:06 PM
Slayer
Jun 10 2005, 09:59 PM
MasterG
Jun 10 2005, 09:56 PM
Vulcan
Jun 10 2005, 09:53 PM
I don't think we were made to eat meat. If we were, wouldn't we have carnivirous teeth?

We do have caniverous teeth - that's what the canines are for.

We can digest meat, but our digestive systems are different to carnivorous animals: our guts are longer (so we can digest lots of plant materials) and our teeth are not designed to slice and tear flesh. Our teeth and mouths are the wrong shape to be able to kill and hold captive struggling prey (compare our jaw shape and teeth to a lion – or your pet cat or dog!). That’s why humans cook meat before eating it and why we’re no good at crunching and munching uncooked bones. As for our sharp teeth, gorillas are entirely vegetarian – as are almost all primates – and yet have far longer and sharper canine teeth than human beings...

I know I'm only pointing out one thing about that post, but anyway...

You say our mouths are not designed to slice meat, and yet that's the precise reason we have incisors (sp?).

The molars are the teeth used to eat vegetables, which is the reason why herbivores have teeth similar in shape to them. The incisors are at the front of the mouth since that's where we can achieve the greatest force on food i.e. eating tough meat. The molars are at the back since we don't need to exert as much force on vegetables in order to get them crushed down into manageable sizes.

If you like physics, you'll understand better.

Don't you mean biology?

Anyway it is natrual for humans to eat other animals and plants as the human race is trying to be effecient. One gets more energy from an animal due to the similarity of cells between humans and animals then plants as their cells differ greatly from us. However as omnivores we need a mixture of both, meat for the energy, protein and plants for the fibre and vitamins.

Other carnivores would not mind eating us, but they are being held back by human develepent (ie. weapons). You don't see carnivores suddenly stop when they're hunting and decide that humans have rights. Sure they're not as intelligent as us but the fact still applies.

I don't see anything wrong with being vegetarian as it's what a person beleives in that matters, but only a small percentage of the world are vegetarian or vegan so it makes trying to save animals from being consumed almost worthless.

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Amberon
Jun 10 2005, 10:15 PM
MasterG
Jun 10 2005, 10:06 PM
Slayer
Jun 10 2005, 09:59 PM
MasterG
Jun 10 2005, 09:56 PM
Vulcan
Jun 10 2005, 09:53 PM
I don't think we were made to eat meat. If we were, wouldn't we have carnivirous teeth?

We do have caniverous teeth - that's what the canines are for.

We can digest meat, but our digestive systems are different to carnivorous animals: our guts are longer (so we can digest lots of plant materials) and our teeth are not designed to slice and tear flesh. Our teeth and mouths are the wrong shape to be able to kill and hold captive struggling prey (compare our jaw shape and teeth to a lion – or your pet cat or dog!). That’s why humans cook meat before eating it and why we’re no good at crunching and munching uncooked bones. As for our sharp teeth, gorillas are entirely vegetarian – as are almost all primates – and yet have far longer and sharper canine teeth than human beings...

I know I'm only pointing out one thing about that post, but anyway...

You say our mouths are not designed to slice meat, and yet that's the precise reason we have incisors (sp?).

The molars are the teeth used to eat vegetables, which is the reason why herbivores have teeth similar in shape to them. The incisors are at the front of the mouth since that's where we can achieve the greatest force on food i.e. eating tough meat. The molars are at the back since we don't need to exert as much force on vegetables in order to get them crushed down into manageable sizes.

If you like physics, you'll understand better.

Don't you mean biology

Nah, I mean physics, but I've forgotten what the topic area is called :'(
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I think being a vegetarian is pointless. People need meat to grow strong and healthy. However, it doesn't bother me when I see a vegetarian. It bothers me when they make fun of me for eating a burger.
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Jun 10 2005, 09:18 PM
I think being a vegetarian is pointless. People need meat to grow strong and healthy. However, it doesn't bother me when I see a vegetarian. It bothers me when they make fun of me for eating a burger.

We don't NEEd meat, sure it helps, but it's not a necessity.
And yes.. The type that try to make everybody vegan/vegetarian do annoy me.. Meh.

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Jun 10 2005, 05:18 PM
I think being a vegetarian is pointless. People need meat to grow strong and healthy. However, it doesn't bother me when I see a vegetarian. It bothers me when they make fun of me for eating a burger.

That doesn't really matter. Most people aren't vegitarians until they're past eighteen, just guessing. So they're done growing already...
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Jun 10 2005, 10:21 PM
Skorm
Jun 10 2005, 05:18 PM
I think being a vegetarian is pointless. People need meat to grow strong and healthy. However, it doesn't bother me when I see a vegetarian. It bothers me when they make fun of me for eating a burger.

That doesn't really matter. Most people aren't vegitarians until they're past eighteen, just guessing. So they're done growing already...

I'm 14. Cona's 14. Nem's 15, I think.

We're not all older. >_>

And on Goldfingerforums.com, we were contacted by an 11 year old that watched John's "Free Me" video and became vegetarian, so..
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