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| Staind.force | Jun 17 2005, 06:53 PM Post #1 |
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whats your opinion on the US role in World War II? could Europe have handled it themselves? Should they have entered at all? I'm a pretty big WWII fanatic, so I wanted to try to bring a WWII debate in here. |
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| doug05257 | Jun 17 2005, 08:14 PM Post #2 |
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Europe could not have handled Hitler on it's own. France had already been taken, and Hitler was moving an offensive front toward England, and almost captured it as well. I think Hitler could have easily won the war. Well, not "easily", persay, but with the right strategy and a few less allies, he would have won. I say this because if Japan had not bombed Pearl Harbor, Hitler would have been able to keep the US out of the war for a little bit longer, therefore buying him enough time to complete the conquest of England. The US was attempting to be somewhat of a neutral country (although, supplies were sold and shipped). If Japan had not said that it was allied with Germany, and bombed Pearl Harbor, the balance of US forces would have been dragged into the Pacific, rather than to Europe. Therefore, Japan could have acted as a decoy of sorts, and distracted the United States for awhile. Without American reinforcements, the British would have been overwhelmed and defeated (sorry to say to you Brits out there). That would have left only Russia to stand in Hitler's way. Now, here is where Hitler makes a critical mistake in attempting to invade Russia during the late fall and early winter. Many Nazi men died, and therefore, Hitler's army was defeated in battle. With a little more strategy (and a hell of a lot more common sense), Hitler could have beaten Russia, especially with Britain out of the way. |
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| zelos | Jun 21 2005, 09:50 AM Post #3 |
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what i know the europe would have been screwed if it wasent for usa (even thoe its something i dont like about USA) |
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| bidulec | Jun 21 2005, 09:52 AM Post #4 |
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England could ahve taken his *** out like a shot the american's reali should ahve stayed out of it it was none of there buisness...But ya know USA does tend to make small mistake's like bombing country's erm killing there own men etc.
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| zelos | Jun 21 2005, 09:57 AM Post #5 |
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but still, europens would have been screwed whit out USA. but sometimes its best to bomb the crap out of countries |
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| Staind.force | Jun 21 2005, 11:36 AM Post #6 |
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I highly doubt that England could have taken on Hitler on its own. Sure, they were doing great in defense for a while, but Hitler easily could have sent more of his Luftwaffe in to take out the rest of England. You should be thankful that America came in, because if they didn't, Hitler's conquest for Europe would have succeeded. It's absolutely foolish to say that the USA should've have entered when millions of innocent people were being killed. We should also thank the Russians for their brave stand at Stalingrad, which took out a good chunk of Hitler's troops. |
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| ghost 5 | Jun 21 2005, 12:10 PM Post #7 |
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Doug the U.S. was dragged in with a war with Japan cuz they bombed Pearl Harbor (just like ya said dude) but ya forgot how we where dragged into the European war. Supposabely one of our Atlantic destroyers was sunk by a German sub so Roosevelt declared war on Germany......but it was not a German sub it was a Japanese sub. And bidulec, those are called incidents, they happen and there is nothing you can do. What you don't think that other European countries made those same mistakes.......its war dude mistakes happen and unfortunately there is nothing you or anyone can do about. And to be honest if the US hadn't of got involved Europe would have been screwed. Oh yeh Staind even though I hate to admit this but at Stalingrad if it wheren't for those two Russian winters Hitler would have won on the Eastern front, but mind you all Hitler had the elite Panzer and Tiger tanks and the Luftwaffe.....all the Russians had was out numberment and a very small tank force and airforce....compared to Hitler. |
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| Staind.force | Jun 21 2005, 12:15 PM Post #8 |
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Yeah, the way I see, Hitler was doomed with his invasion of Russia. With the weather conditions + Stalingrad, he was severely weakened. However, I don't think that the Russians could've won either if they had decided to invade the West against Hitler. |
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| ghost 5 | Jun 21 2005, 12:22 PM Post #9 |
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I thinnk Stalin had a pretty good plan........retreat and go on defensive and then after the Germans where weakend invade Berlin, Germany. Stalin also wanted the Allies (mainly the U.S. and Britain) to invade Normandy alot sooner than they did....but in my opinion that would have failed cuz we still needed more troops for it to work but mind you we lost almost a 400,000 troops that day. |
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| Snakebite | Jun 21 2005, 12:26 PM Post #10 |
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i live in the US, i dont know that much about WWII but i know enough if we (US) wouldn't have intervened everyone in Europe and all around the world would be pledging alligence to Hitler, and countries around the world would still be fearing Hitler, i'm not saying we (US) could take Hitler on our own but it was a team effort taking his army out... even though Hitler's army killed many Jews in the gas chambers, it could've been a lot more, and if you believe that this war was none of our bussiness then, if we weren't there, your armies would have taken more causualties, it would've been one stupid mistake by our president, because Hitler was a world wide terrorist and soon to conquer to world |
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| ghost 5 | Jun 21 2005, 12:43 PM Post #11 |
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Ya just basically said what everyone has already said....just differently. Also do ya know what terrorist is? Hitler was not a "world wide terrorist" he was a dictator and a world wide threat. Not terrorist. Oh yeh terrorist means-n. One that engages in acts or an act of terrorism. adj. Of or relating to terrorism. |
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| Staind.force | Jun 21 2005, 12:45 PM Post #12 |
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Very good points in here. What do you guys think about Operation Market Garden? Comprised by Montgomery, the plan turned out to be a failure because of communications and intelligence difficulties. Before Market Garden was endorsed, Patton also had a plan that he believes would have been able to cut off the Wehrmacht's retreat. imo, Patton's plan would have just burnt up way to many supplies and men. |
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| ghost 5 | Jun 21 2005, 12:49 PM Post #13 |
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Back then communications was still in development and so was intelligence. But it happens today as well if the communications and intel. was good then they could have kicked that Nazi's *** |
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| Woody. | Jun 21 2005, 12:50 PM Post #14 |
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Ok Erope wouldnt of won with out America, however, America shouldnt hog the whole limelight, it wasnt just you that 'won' WWII' , England, France, basicly the whole of europe, Russia , many many more helped the allies win over Germany |
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| ghost 5 | Jun 21 2005, 12:55 PM Post #15 |
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I never said that it was America that did it all.....infact I am only really loyal to two countries and that is former Soviet Union and todays. Don't get me wrong I live in US of A and I enjoy some rights and what not but yeh....to discuss this would be not correct area. |
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