We hope you enjoy your visit.

You're currently viewing our forum as a guest. This means you are limited to certain areas of the board and there are some features you can't use. If you join our community, you'll be able to access member-only sections, and use many member-only features such as customizing your profile, sending personal messages, and voting in polls. Registration is simple, fast, and completely free.


Join our community!


If you're already a member please log in to your account to access all of our features:

Username:   Password:
Add Reply
American soldiers beat up in Seattle
Topic Started: Aug 25 2005, 09:57 PM (1,152 Views)
Glitch
Blasphemer
[ *  *  *  *  *  *  * ]
Multikill
Aug 26 2005, 03:04 PM
You should be ashamed that people would beat up what makes this country free. Then you should feel sorry that those beings that make this country free were beaten.

The war in Iraq has nothing to do with preserving the freedom of the American people. That's a fact. In fact, the war on Iraq has caused the reduction of freedoms in America. Many of the provisions of the Patriot Act, for example, are permanent now. It does not matter if we eradicate the terrorists. Those provisions will always stay in place. And, in my opinion, that is a defeat of freedom that no victory in Iraq can make up for.

I appreciate the fact that they are veterans and fought for their country. I respect those people sincerely, but you are not respecting them, you're pitying them. Once soldiers change out of their uniforms, I don't see why they should deserve special treatment in any aspect of normal life. I doubt that most veterans want your pity either.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Multikill
Member Avatar
SLAYER EATS PLATIPUS?!?!
[ *  *  *  *  *  * ]
Whilst it may not have a direct affect on our freedom it does impact how we are as a nation, if we sit back enjoy our coffe while ignoring everything happening around us, thats makes us a weak country.

I do not pity the fact that the soldiers that fight for what they believe in, that fight for their country, that fight for their family and fight for you. I am sick. Sick that people would degrade hero's such as those, sick that that is a return home salutation and sick that americans have divebombed for the worse. A soldier can change out of there uniform but it doesn't take away their heroism. A hero is not a mask or an identity, it is nothing other than yourself. I'm sorry but I take pride in my country and what it stands for. I also respect those that keep it standing and fight for what this country stands for. That my friend, takes courage that even I could not live up to and in my eyes they are all hero's.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Glitch
Blasphemer
[ *  *  *  *  *  *  * ]
Multikill
Aug 26 2005, 03:51 PM
Whilst it may not have a direct affect on our freedom it does impact how we are as a nation, if we sit back enjoy our coffe while ignoring everything happening around us, thats makes us a weak country.

You said "keep us free", not "keep us strong".

Quote:
 
I do not pity the fact that the soldiers that fight for what they believe in, that fight for their country, that fight for their family and fight for you. I am sick.  Sick that people would degrade hero's such as those, sick that that is a return home salutation and sick that americans have divebombed for the worse.  A soldier can change out of there uniform but it doesn't take away their heroism.  A hero is not a mask or an identity, it is nothing other than yourself.  I'm sorry but I take pride in my country and what it stands for.  I also respect those that keep it standing and fight for what this country stands for.  That my friend, takes courage that even I could not live up to and in my eyes they are all hero's.

The soldiers in Iraq do not fight for me. I don't want them to fight for me. If I was president I would never have sent them to fight for me.
Tell me, if a soldier and a normal person both murder someone, why should the soldier be spared of the death penalty while the normal person is injected with poison? Because he "fought for our country"? Because he's a hero in your eyes?
I admit that I do not have the courage to go out and fight in Iraq. But if I did, I wouldn't want everyone to treat me differently when I came back.
I support funds and government programs and aid for veterans, but not because they "fought for their country". I support them because of the conditions they recieved and the trauma they suffered while doing so.
I give our soldiers my utmost respect by treating them as normal people and letting them feel the freedom and equality they fought for. And that is worth more than any amount of special treatment you can give them.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Clapton
Member Avatar
Also known as Feare, Aoine, Slowhand
[ *  *  *  *  *  *  *  * ]
Ayume-
Aug 26 2005, 03:05 PM
^You guys don't care about Sadam, its about OIL!
Killing innocent people.. how would you like it if we went into your country ..
and also more people have died when america went in then sadam ever killed.

This didn't start because of oil, it started because of weapons of mass destruction. When we discovered that they didn't exist we still rounded up all Sadams leaders along with himself. If we weren't there helping them out with their goverment, it would be taken over in a heartbeat.

Along with that, people do die in war. Plus, we didn't mean to kill them, unlike us, Saddam did. I'm not trying to sound like I don't feel bad for them, but thats life.

Not to mention the fact that we are still fighting over there, if we left, that little fighting force could sieze control of the country, and it will become a never-ending civil war.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Multikill
Member Avatar
SLAYER EATS PLATIPUS?!?!
[ *  *  *  *  *  * ]
Glitch
Aug 26 2005, 09:04 PM

The soldiers in Iraq do not fight for me.
I don't want them to fight for me. If I was president I would never have sent them to fight for me.
Tell me, if a soldier and a normal person both murder someone, why should the soldier be spared of the death penalty while the normal person is injected with poison? Because he "fought for our country"? Because he's a hero in your eyes?
I admit that I do not have the courage to go out and fight in Iraq. But if I did, I wouldn't want everyone to treat me differently when I came back.
I support funds and government programs and aid for veterans, but not because they "fought for their country". I support them because of the conditions they recieved and the trauma they suffered while doing so.
I give our soldiers my utmost respect by treating them as normal people and letting them feel the freedom and equality they fought for. And that is worth more than any amount of special treatment you can give them.

I was under the impression you live here in the USA, and I'm pretty sure you do, but I could be wrong. But if my assumption is correct then yes, the soldiers fight for you, the countries well being and right now, for other countries.

If you were president you wouldn't have sent them to iraq? Good thing that in this country it wouldn't much matter, as your opinion would most likley have been overruled by congress, where majority rules.

Why would the verteran be treated differently? Under the law everyone is treated the same.

You say they fight for equality? Wrong, they fight for equal rights aka freedom here in the USA. No one is the same, everyone is different and everyone treats each other differentally. Sure I respect the vet's but I'm not sending cakes to them every day, I respect them each day when I recite the pledge, I repect them by trying not to take for granted what they give me each and every day.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
jak_a
Member Avatar
Member
[ *  *  * ]
watever they did, it was a bit harsh
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Clapton
Member Avatar
Also known as Feare, Aoine, Slowhand
[ *  *  *  *  *  *  *  * ]
Multikill
Aug 26 2005, 04:20 PM
Glitch
Aug 26 2005, 09:04 PM

The soldiers in Iraq do not fight for me.
I don't want them to fight for me. If I was president I would never have sent them to fight for me.
Tell me, if a soldier and a normal person both murder someone, why should the soldier be spared of the death penalty while the normal person is injected with poison? Because he "fought for our country"? Because he's a hero in your eyes?
I admit that I do not have the courage to go out and fight in Iraq. But if I did, I wouldn't want everyone to treat me differently when I came back.
I support funds and government programs and aid for veterans, but not because they "fought for their country". I support them because of the conditions they recieved and the trauma they suffered while doing so.
I give our soldiers my utmost respect by treating them as normal people and letting them feel the freedom and equality they fought for. And that is worth more than any amount of special treatment you can give them.

I was under the impression you live here in the USA, and I'm pretty sure you do, but I could be wrong. But if my assumption is correct then yes, the soldiers fight for you, the countries well being and right now, for other countries.

If you were president you wouldn't have sent them to iraq? Good thing that in this country it wouldn't much matter, as your opinion would most likley have been overruled by congress, where majority rules.

Why would the verteran be treated differently? Under the law everyone is treated the same.

You say they fight for equality? Wrong, they fight for equal rights aka freedom here in the USA. No one is the same, everyone is different and everyone treats each other differentally. Sure I respect the vet's but I'm not sending cakes to them every day, I respect them each day when I recite the pledge, I repect them by trying not to take for granted what they give me each and every day.

He lives just a few miles away from me in NJ :o

Anyway...

Quote:
 
You say they fight for equality? Wrong, they fight for equal rights aka freedom here in the USA. No one is the same, everyone is different and everyone treats each other differentally. Sure I respect the vet's but I'm not sending cakes to them every day, I respect them each day when I recite the pledge, I repect them by trying not to take for granted what they give me each and every day.



Please tell me how the War on Terror has to do with Freedom. Nothing at all, unless I am mistaken. I don't agree with the war, people are getting killed and so forth. I think they would like it more, if they were treated as a normal person, not some god. I know I wouldn't enjoy being sent cakes/money everyday.

Quote:
 
If you were president you wouldn't have sent them to iraq? Good thing that in this country it wouldn't much matter, as your opinion would most likley have been overruled by congress, where majority rules.


Bush supported the war to, so I am sure if someone hadn't supported the war, who was president, it would have never happened in the first place. It was Bush's idea to go there in the first place. If Glicth hadn't brought up the idea, nothing would've happened. Nothing against Bush though.

Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Multikill
Member Avatar
SLAYER EATS PLATIPUS?!?!
[ *  *  *  *  *  * ]
Without continual pressure they would be free to plan and attack.


I have to go to work I will check back when I get home :)
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Glitch
Blasphemer
[ *  *  *  *  *  *  * ]
Quote:
 
I was under the impression you live here in the USA, and I'm pretty sure you do, but I could be wrong. But if my assumption is correct then yes, the soldiers fight for you, the countries well being and right now, for other countries.

True that is, I do live in the United States. However, I don't see how our soldiers are fighting for me in Iraq right now. They're fighting for the well-being of the Iraqis, not you and me.

Quote:
 
If you were president you wouldn't have sent them to iraq? Good thing that in this country it wouldn't much matter, as your opinion would most likley have been overruled by congress, where majority rules.

As Feare said, if I was President, I would never have brought up the war on Iraq in the first place. I would have retaliated against al'Qaeda for attacking the US, then brought our soldiers back home.
Besides, one of the reasons Congress voted for the war was because Bush and friends told them Iraq had nuclear capabilities, which was completely false. Basically, Bush lied to Congress to get them to declare war.

Quote:
 
Why would the verteran be treated differently? Under the law everyone is treated the same.

My point exactly.

Quote:
 
You say they fight for equality? Wrong, they fight for equal rights aka freedom here in the USA. No one is the same, everyone is different and everyone treats each other differentally. Sure I respect the vet's but I'm not sending cakes to them every day, I respect them each day when I recite the pledge, I repect them by trying not to take for granted what they give me each and every day.

Don't nitpick over technicalities. I meant equal rights when I said "equality".
And I never said I don't feel sorry for them. I do. I feel sorry for them because they got beaten up for no good reason. I don't feel extra sorry for them just because they're veterans.

Quote:
 
Without continual pressure they would be free to plan and attack.

Who's "they"? The terrorists? There were no terrorists in Iraq before we attacked, trust me.
Is it Saddam? If you really think Saddam had anywhere near the capabilities to launch a full scale attack on the US, then, sorry to be blunt, but you're simply stupid.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Clark.
Member Avatar
the thread killer
[ *  *  *  *  *  *  * ]
I can't believe that people just can be beated to nothing, what kind of a sick place is this?
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Curare
laaaaaaax.
[ *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  * ]
Glitch
Aug 26 2005, 07:03 PM
Quote:
 
I was under the impression you live here in the USA, and I'm pretty sure you do, but I could be wrong. But if my assumption is correct then yes, the soldiers fight for you, the countries well being and right now, for other countries.

True that is, I do live in the United States. However, I don't see how our soldiers are fighting for me in Iraq right now. They're fighting for the well-being of the Iraqis, not you and me.

Quote:
 
If you were president you wouldn't have sent them to iraq? Good thing that in this country it wouldn't much matter, as your opinion would most likley have been overruled by congress, where majority rules.

As Feare said, if I was President, I would never have brought up the war on Iraq in the first place. I would have retaliated against al'Qaeda for attacking the US, then brought our soldiers back home.
Besides, one of the reasons Congress voted for the war was because Bush and friends told them Iraq had nuclear capabilities, which was completely false. Basically, Bush lied to Congress to get them to declare war.

Quote:
 
Why would the verteran be treated differently? Under the law everyone is treated the same.

My point exactly.

Quote:
 
You say they fight for equality? Wrong, they fight for equal rights aka freedom here in the USA. No one is the same, everyone is different and everyone treats each other differentally. Sure I respect the vet's but I'm not sending cakes to them every day, I respect them each day when I recite the pledge, I repect them by trying not to take for granted what they give me each and every day.

Don't nitpick over technicalities. I meant equal rights when I said "equality".
And I never said I don't feel sorry for them. I do. I feel sorry for them because they got beaten up for no good reason. I don't feel extra sorry for them just because they're veterans.

Quote:
 
Without continual pressure they would be free to plan and attack.

Who's "they"? The terrorists? There were no terrorists in Iraq before we attacked, trust me.
Is it Saddam? If you really think Saddam had anywhere near the capabilities to launch a full scale attack on the US, then, sorry to be blunt, but you're simply stupid.

Quote:
 
It's better to keep your mouth shut and be presumed ignorant than it is to open it and remove all doubt.


Your signature says it all.

Instead of following your parents' liberal opinions, you need to become a bit more educated than the hearsay of those parents' opinions, because you're completly wrong, on nearly every count when it comes to this war.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Glitch
Blasphemer
[ *  *  *  *  *  *  * ]
ForceEight
Aug 26 2005, 08:57 PM
Instead of following your parents' liberal opinions, you need to become a bit more educated than the hearsay of those parents' opinions, because you're completly wrong, on nearly every count when it comes to this war.

What makes you think my parents are liberal? They're not. They're about smack dab in the center. They're against the war too, but only because they think it's a waste of tax money.

And I sincerely believe that I'm not the ignorant one in this position, especially since I give backing for my position and actually debate as opposed to simply insulting my opponent and claiming they're wrong.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Curare
laaaaaaax.
[ *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  * ]
Glitch
Aug 26 2005, 10:06 PM
ForceEight
Aug 26 2005, 08:57 PM
Instead of following your parents' liberal opinions, you need to become a bit more educated than the hearsay of those parents' opinions, because you're completly wrong, on nearly every count when it comes to this war.

What makes you think my parents are liberal? They're not. They're about smack dab in the center. They're against the war too, but only because they think it's a waste of tax money.

And I sincerely believe that I'm not the ignorant one in this position, especially since I give backing for my position and actually debate as opposed to simply insulting my opponent and claiming they're wrong.

It's a constant debate with people like you. Talking to a wall if you will, and it's too tiring and lacking in any excitement whatsoever to be forced into such repetitiveness.

I didn't mean insult, I'm simply ticked off with opinions mirroring yours.

And I very much thought you said your parents were liberal, when you said something about them being rich computer-related folk.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Glitch
Blasphemer
[ *  *  *  *  *  *  * ]
ForceEight
Aug 26 2005, 09:15 PM
It's a constant debate with people like you. Talking to a wall if you will, and it's too tiring and lacking in any excitement whatsoever to be forced into such repetitiveness.

I didn't mean insult, I'm simply ticked off with opinions mirroring yours.

And I very much thought you said your parents were liberal, when you said something about them being rich computer-related folk.

I said my parents made a better living than most people and were both computer programmers, but I never said they were liberal.

And I understand, I get ticked off with conservatives all the time. Hell, I get ticked off with liberals sometimes too (usually on things like free trade).
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Multikill
Member Avatar
SLAYER EATS PLATIPUS?!?!
[ *  *  *  *  *  * ]
Wow here I was thinking I was in an actual intelligent argument. That must be it tho, I'm a complete retard, I should have known. Btw we have documents proving the fact that IRAQ AND SADDAM were funding the terrorist or Al Qaeda. Its basic military tactics, shut their funding and supplies down and you have a VERY weak enemy. But I guess even this concept is to vast for me to grasp.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
1 user reading this topic (1 Guest and 0 Anonymous)
ZetaBoards - Free Forum Hosting
ZetaBoards gives you all the tools to create a successful discussion community.
Go to Next Page
« Previous Topic · Community Chat · Next Topic »
Add Reply