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Programming.
Topic Started: Sep 29 2005, 07:30 PM (671 Views)
FlippinPhil.
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I'm in College at the moment and some of the programmign we cover is VB and C for now. VB is pretty simple as you design it all using a GUI and code at the end for what yu wish it to do, but C is a lot more complicated and gets me annoyed at times with all these syntax errors lol... just wondering if anyone else uses these programming languages and what for?
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I've used VB for making calculators and one time I made a web browser but I don't remember if it worked or not. Something interesting I've found in Microsoft Word in Word press Alt + F11 (it'll open a Visual Basic editor!) thats what I use to program VB, which isn't very much by the way.
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FlippinPhil.
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wow, didn't even know that :P learn something new everyday then.. thanks.

anybody tried C?
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Vb=Easy as Hell

C: Hard as hell when trying to do OOP. Java is better at it.
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FlippinPhil.
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Too true RFB :P

I'm just learning the basics with C at the moment in our lessons, learnign about the different variables such as integers and floats etc. ive made several calculating programs already and we will be progressing a lot over the weeks :D
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I hate C. 'Nuff said.

Java = p4wnage.
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FlippinPhil.
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+Sep 30 2005, 12:24 AM
I hate C. 'Nuff said.

Java = p4wnage.

Why do you hate it?
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Too complicated. ;)
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KoolDrew
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I really wouldn't suggest C++ as a first language, but since you are taking a collge course for it, I guess it is fine. Having people around to give you different perspectives and an instructor to keep you on course can really be helpful. If you were learning yourself or something, I would highly suggest NOt starting with C++. Get the concepts down and then come back to it.

I highly suggest either Python or Scheme to start with. SICP is a MUST read. It is by far the best book to learn "programming" from. Here "programming" is a generic (language independent) term for the introductory ideas crutial to computer science. Scheme many not be the absolute best to start with, but it does have a good interactive interpreter. Another language with this feature is Python, which would be my reccomendation. However I do not know of a Python equivilent to SICP. SICP is the best book ever and is required reading!

There is also HTDP, Dive Into Python, Practical Common Lisp, How to think like a Computer Scientest,

Most of these books (including SICP) should be in PDF format somweherre on the web, fi you do not want to read them off the net.

Also, programming is esseitnially problem solving. Having said that, the (programming) language is a 'communication tool' that aids you to solve problems. It is no different from studying any other languages (spoken).

The key learning curve is problem solving. So, do it together... learn the language but also work on the problem solving parts. Things like sets-subsets are good excercise to begin with. When you first start out with programming your goal really shouldn't be to learn a language, instead you really want to get the concepts down.

Once you've gotten comfortable with the "regular" programming languages like Scheme, Haskell, Ruby, C, Assembly, Python, Perl, or Java, you should always try Prolog. A great way to think abouyt programs, and truly a good feeling as your mind works through new ways to "state" problems, rather than solve them.

You could always learn assembly first too. That would make you really appreciate high-level languages. :P

I would also highly suggest going to Ars forums. They have very knowledgable programmers there, fi you do need help, advice etc.
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I have been trying to learn some VB but dont exactly understand how it works. Do you need visual studio to compile the code?
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KoolDrew, he said C, not C++. Assembly..

*shudders*

*hugs Java*
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Sep 29 2005, 09:14 PM
I have been trying to learn some VB but dont exactly understand how it works. Do you need visual studio to compile the code?

not exactly, if you wish to start with VB simply goto www.pixel2life.com and click VB tutorials

go into Microsoft Word and press Alt + F11 (it'll open a Visual Basic editor!) thats what I use to program
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FlippinPhil.
Sep 30 2005, 12:23 AM
Too true RFB :P

I'm just learning the basics with C at the moment in our lessons, learnign about the different variables such as integers and floats etc. ive made several calculating programs already and we will be progressing a lot over the weeks :D

Don't use floats. Use doubles, they are much better :). Floats are outdated. If this is your first language I'm sorry. Its going to be kind of difficult. Like drew said. Don't much worry about trying to learn it as just more or less learning how it works.
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Sep 30 2005, 02:01 PM
FlippinPhil.
Sep 30 2005, 12:23 AM
Too true RFB :P

I'm just learning the basics with C at the moment in our lessons, learnign about the different variables such as integers and floats etc. ive made several calculating programs already and we will be progressing a lot over the weeks :D

Don't use floats. Use doubles, they are much better :). Floats are outdated. If this is your first language I'm sorry. Its going to be kind of difficult. Like drew said. Don't much worry about trying to learn it as just more or less learning how it works.

I know, I don't use floats I'm just naming examples that he is teaching us about etc. It's part of the course, we have to do it :P lol..

I have done a bit of C++ before, not C though, there not that much different anyway. So far it's not looking that difficult and I'm gettign the hang of the common commands to use and what they perform.

SurferDude: I have Visual Basic 6, the program. It's easy to get a copy of and is probably the easiest way of using VB, all you do is deisng what you wish, put some coding behind it using the tools to switch views and press run and it will show you what your program does and if it functions properley. Then just save the project and the file as an .exe of course and your done.
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I want to get into programming but neveer been able to get a copy of VB. Used it before at school and it seemed really simple.Never used c++
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