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do you believe in god?
Topic Started: May 25 2004, 07:08 PM (1,669 Views)
primexx
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there are you happy now Luna??? I highly doupt anyone is going to post here...
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Loona
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:lol: Yeah, but who knows. Why don't you start it off since you made the topic. :r
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MegaKN
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Guess again. :P

I really don't understand why people DON'T believe in God. But then again, I don't understand many different religions.

I believe! :yes:
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primexx
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people dont believe in god because they have proof that god is fake, and the belief also causes a lot of people a LOT of trouble.
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adam282
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people dont believe in god because they have proof that god is fake


I think some people drink too much
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Ereshkigal
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Some people don't understand how anyone couldn't believe in god, others don't understand how anyone could :P

I'm Agnostic. Not really a believer or a disbeliever, just interested in all the ideas out there more from and outside looking in perspective.
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This goes aginast the TOS. It stats your not allowed to talk about religion. If i'm correct some have more then "one" god.
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I'm Agnostic. Not really a believer or a disbeliever, just interested in all the ideas out there more from and outside looking in perspective.


Well when do you think you will be able to decide!? I mean it is a pretty important descision as it could determine how you lead the rest of your life.
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MegaKN
May 25, 2004 04:11 PM
Guess again. :P

I really don't understand why people DON'T believe in God. But then again, I don't understand many different religions.

I believe! :yes:

Don't understand why people wouldn't believe in which god?

The way I see it, everybody is saying their god is the real one, yet it's different at least in some ways from everybody else's god, and regardless of that, 99.9% of everything anybody ever claims god is or does is just flat out rediculous.

I'm not about to say something doesn't exist just because there's no evidence for it and everyone is making contradictory claims based on nothing more than somebody else's claims in the past, but I'm not about to believe anything, much less the absurdities of religion, without a little more to go on.
Frankly, if you're so sure of yourself that you can claim to know for a fact that you're sitting there reading this on a computer screen and not in bed dreaming it, or that you're not actually a small rodent on another planet somewhere trillions of miles away that's hallucinating the whole thing after eating some moldy rye, I'll call you arrogant and self-centered.
You know nothing.
Not even that you exist in the form your senses tell you that you do.
So if you come preaching at me that you know the truth, I'm going to laugh at you, pity you, and probably ignore you.

If anything, I take a mathematical point of view to the whole situation, as math is usually about the only thing you can count on, (no pun intended) and it makes things make a little sense.

For example, let's assume I'm actually the individual entity that I appear to be.
I'm also part of a family that can be considered an entity as well.
That family could be considered part of a neighborhood entity, which is part of a city, blah blah state, blah country, continent, planet, solar system, galaxy, galactic cluster, whatever, whatever, all the way up to universe, if you want to take the standard view that the universe is the sum total of everything in existence, which would mean multiple dimensions were not alternate universes but merely facets of the same universe...
Anyway, what it comes down to is that much like the fingers and toes and the smallest particles that make up our cells are part of the body, you and I and the chair I'm sitting in and the tree outside and the horsehead nebula are all parts of some one thing.

Is that one thing conscious of itself?
Sometimes I think it is.
Generally I think not.
Sometimes I'm sure I'm connected (or in communication with) so much more of that one thing than I normally am, and I think I feel like I know what's going on.
That the very universe itself and existence itself is evolving toward conciousness, like a baby trying to figure out who it is and why it's here and what it can accomplish if it pours enough energy in a certain direction.

Then I wonder if I've just done too many drugs.
But throughout history, many have come to the same realizations that I have.
And most of the religions have similar ideas, though they distort and pervert them and then they claim to know them as truth.

We can know nothing.
Believing in anything for certain is arrogance.
And time and time again, we've had this shown to us, but most of us refuse to learn the lesson.


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The TOS says no talking about religion?
That's news to me...


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Well when do you think you will be able to decide!? I mean it is a pretty important descision as it could determine how you lead the rest of your life.



It could determine how you lead the rest of your life.
It may have no effect whatsoever on their life.

We don't all need to believe in a god to dictate how we behave.
I live my life the same way now that I did when I was a brainwashed Catholic.
And yes, I do consider raising children from birth in a religion as brainwashing and coercion.
But my point is, it shouldn't and doesn't have to matter what you choose to believe as far as god, if you live your life with respect and consideration and, yes, love for others and hopefully all things.
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No..it..doesn't O_o
I don't think so at least. Why would it be?

Anyways, I'm agnostic.
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adam282
May 25, 2004 07:04 PM
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I'm Agnostic. Not really a believer or a disbeliever, just interested in all the ideas out there more from and outside looking in perspective.


Well when do you think you will be able to decide!? I mean it is a pretty important descision as it could determine how you lead the rest of your life.

I have decided o.O I'm Agnostic.

I was raised Christian. I was not forced to be, in fact I went to church on my own without my family as they're not very religious. I started reading the Bible rather than just listening to what I was taught about it, and decided I didn't agree with much of it and it wasn't for me. Then I went through my middle school I'm too cool for religion phase and claimed I was Atheist, then I realized there is nothing that makes me not believe in god, just as there is nothing that makes me believe there is one...So Atheism is also not for me. I looked into other religions but most of the major ones are quite similar when you get right down to it, and so far anything I've looked into just isn't anything I honestly believe in. I am studying [socio-cultural] Anthropology, I love religion and culture. I love learning about it, participating where welcome but I do not actively believe and worship any religion.

It could determine how I live the rest of my life? I live my life for me, not for "god", Allah, Jesus, Vishnu, Zeus, or Satan.
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We believe in one god. The father the almighty. Creator of heaven and earth. Of all things seen and unseen


Drilled into my head. Now perhaps you'd think I'm completely religous after 8 years in a Catholic school. The truth is I'm not. I hated that school and in some ways, many ways it hurt my beliefs rather than helped it.
Notheless, I do believe in god. I believe that he had a son. I believe he created everything. I don't believe in purgatory. I question the existence of hell and events in the old testament. I question many aspects of my religion such as homosexuality and the role of women. I believe everything happens for a reason. But sometimes I wish the reason was more visible. 9/11 shook the beliefs of many but not me. I had something else shake mine. A woman at our parish had leukemia for years. Her husband and 2 daughters watched her die. She went in and out of remission. About more than a year ago...she died. Most recently that family's house caught fire while they were at work and the kids at school. One girl lost an ablum her mother made for her. I question what these people have done to deserve such treatment. They are good people. Very nice. Yet like all those innocents in 9/11 they suffer. I guess god's gift of free will doesn't include choosing how to die or when eh?
I still go to mass. But the pastor a pompous money hungry creature who's rectory is a mansion while the nuns live across in a shack. I go to the mass with the priest who gives sermons in 10 minutes and gets us out in a half hour. The other priest is the best. He is a great guy and lived an extraordinary life for someone so young. And he helped revive our parish a little. But still its not enough. The things in those masses are disgraceful. I doubt god would enjoy the spectacle i see every sunday. I believe in god, but not in how catholics are supposed to worship him.
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It could determine how you lead the rest of your life.
It may have no effect whatsoever on their life.

We don't all need to believe in a god to dictate how we behave.
I live my life the same way now that I did when I was a brainwashed Catholic.
And yes, I do consider raising children from birth in a religion as brainwashing and coercion.
But my point is, it shouldn't and doesn't have to matter what you choose to believe as far as god, if you live your life with respect and consideration and, yes, love for others and hopefully all things.



Yes.....thats why i said "could" and not "will"!

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I have decided o.O I'm Agnostic.


Well that basically means that you have decided that you do not know what to believe in.

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It could determine how I live the rest of my life? I live my life for me, not for "god", Allah, Jesus, Vishnu, Zeus, or Satan.


....well....I suppose "me" is interchangeable with any of those terms.
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Ereshkigal
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Agnostic
1.  One who believes that it is impossible to know whether there is a God.
2.  One who is skeptical about the existence of God but does not profess true atheism.


I believe it is impossible to know, not simply that I do not know what to believe in. But considering Agnostic literally means without knowledge I suppose some might translate it to "I don't know."
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