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Obama - Inftanticide; How sick and evil can someone get?
Topic Started: Jul 10 2008, 06:03 PM (1,303 Views)
Mortek
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I still don't actually see how he supports murdering infants.

Seems like you are making him out to be something that he isn't.
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While I disagree with infanticide. You can't judge an entire person on one subject. Obama is appealing to a gigantic nation, and I'm sure he's trying to be selfless. Some will support it, some will not. You clearly feel very strongly against this issue. Therefore, don't kill your child. If someone wants to carry out murder to their child. I suppose that's their choice. I don't think these views necessarily reflect Obama's, but he's trying to appeal to a nation of millions.

I agree with you, I think infanticide is horrible, but you and I do not reflect the views of the entire US.
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Woody.
Jul 10 2008, 07:57 PM
While I disagree with infanticide. You can't judge an entire person on one subject. Obama is appealing to a gigantic nation, and I'm sure he's trying to be selfless. Some will support it, some will not. You clearly feel very strongly against this issue. Therefore, don't kill your child. If someone wants to carry out murder to their child. I suppose that's their choice. I don't think these views necessarily reflect Obama's, but he's trying to appeal to a nation of millions.

I agree with you, I think infanticide is horrible, but you and I do not reflect the views of the entire US.
The problem is, the entire US does not know what Mr. "I want change" truly supports. They get enticed by words like "911, peace, change, prosperity, and hope" and feel they are doing a good thing by voting for these "good things".
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Jul 10 2008, 08:04 PM
Woody.
Jul 10 2008, 07:57 PM
While I disagree with infanticide. You can't judge an entire person on one subject. Obama is appealing to a gigantic nation, and I'm sure he's trying to be selfless. Some will support it, some will not. You clearly feel very strongly against this issue. Therefore, don't kill your child. If someone wants to carry out murder to their child. I suppose that's their choice. I don't think these views necessarily reflect Obama's, but he's trying to appeal to a nation of millions.

I agree with you, I think infanticide is horrible, but you and I do not reflect the views of the entire US.
The problem is, the entire US does not know what Mr. "I want change" truly supports. They get enticed by words like "911, peace, change, prosperity, and hope" and feel they are doing a good thing by voting for these "good things".
I don't know the issue well, so this is a legitimate question. Did Obama actually say he supported infanticide?
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If someone wants to carry out murder to their child. I suppose that's their choice. I don't think these views necessarily reflect Obama's, but he's trying to appeal to a nation of millions.


I am not going to get involved in this topic argument, but how can you even post anything like that...
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Jul 10 2008, 08:07 PM
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Jul 10 2008, 08:04 PM
Woody.
Jul 10 2008, 07:57 PM
While I disagree with infanticide. You can't judge an entire person on one subject. Obama is appealing to a gigantic nation, and I'm sure he's trying to be selfless. Some will support it, some will not. You clearly feel very strongly against this issue. Therefore, don't kill your child. If someone wants to carry out murder to their child. I suppose that's their choice. I don't think these views necessarily reflect Obama's, but he's trying to appeal to a nation of millions.

I agree with you, I think infanticide is horrible, but you and I do not reflect the views of the entire US.
The problem is, the entire US does not know what Mr. "I want change" truly supports. They get enticed by words like "911, peace, change, prosperity, and hope" and feel they are doing a good thing by voting for these "good things".
I don't know the issue well, so this is a legitimate question. Did Obama actually say he supported infanticide?
No, he did not.

He voted against it not to promote killing infants, but to keep abortion legal.
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Jul 10 2008, 08:08 PM
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If someone wants to carry out murder to their child. I suppose that's their choice. I don't think these views necessarily reflect Obama's, but he's trying to appeal to a nation of millions.


I am not going to get involved in this topic argument, but how can you even post anything like that...
Someone who is morally secure ftw. I never thought I would see the day on the internet.
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If you read the whole of my post you'd realise that I'm against infanticide. I think it's sick to kill a human being regardless of whether they've just been born or whatever. But I am not everyone, for whatever reason, someone may see a purpose for it.

EDIT: If moretek is correct. Then this has not effected my view of Obama at all. If everyone had to conform to the views of one man, America would be a much worse off place.
Edited by Woody., Jul 10 2008, 08:12 PM.
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Jul 10 2008, 08:10 PM
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Jul 10 2008, 08:08 PM
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If someone wants to carry out murder to their child. I suppose that's their choice. I don't think these views necessarily reflect Obama's, but he's trying to appeal to a nation of millions.


I am not going to get involved in this topic argument, but how can you even post anything like that...
Someone who is morally secure ftw. I never thought I would see the day on the internet.
Oh shut up, do you know anyone who supports killing infants?

Probably not, because Obama doesn't either.
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Mortek
Jul 10 2008, 08:09 PM
Woody.
Jul 10 2008, 08:07 PM
Leaves
Jul 10 2008, 08:04 PM
Woody.
Jul 10 2008, 07:57 PM
While I disagree with infanticide. You can't judge an entire person on one subject. Obama is appealing to a gigantic nation, and I'm sure he's trying to be selfless. Some will support it, some will not. You clearly feel very strongly against this issue. Therefore, don't kill your child. If someone wants to carry out murder to their child. I suppose that's their choice. I don't think these views necessarily reflect Obama's, but he's trying to appeal to a nation of millions.

I agree with you, I think infanticide is horrible, but you and I do not reflect the views of the entire US.
The problem is, the entire US does not know what Mr. "I want change" truly supports. They get enticed by words like "911, peace, change, prosperity, and hope" and feel they are doing a good thing by voting for these "good things".
I don't know the issue well, so this is a legitimate question. Did Obama actually say he supported infanticide?
No, he did not.

He voted against it not to promote killing infants, but to keep abortion legal.
Obama does support it, 6 times in the past he has voted against bans on infanticide. He now claims he voted the wrong way on accident, 6 times.
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Leaves, just because he stopped the bill doesn't mean he is for it. I see it as more of a campaign to stop things being restricted, like me trying to prevent a law for cigarettes to be banned, that doesn't mean I smoke, it means I don't think it's right to stop millions of people smoking. I definitely do not think it is fair to assume that because of that he is a supporter of infanticide
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Woody.
Jul 10 2008, 08:10 PM
If you read the whole of my post you'd realise that I'm against infanticide. I think it's sick to kill a human being regardless of whether they've just been born or whatever. But I am not everyone, for whatever reason, someone may see a purpose for it.

EDIT: If moretek is correct. Then this has not effected my view of Obama at all. If everyone had to conform to the views of one man, America would be a much worse off place.
I did read your whole post and I understand you are not for it. But the mere fact you can say, if people want to do it, then it's their choice is bad enough.
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Jul 10 2008, 08:17 PM
Woody.
Jul 10 2008, 08:10 PM
If you read the whole of my post you'd realise that I'm against infanticide. I think it's sick to kill a human being regardless of whether they've just been born or whatever. But I am not everyone, for whatever reason, someone may see a purpose for it.

EDIT: If moretek is correct. Then this has not effected my view of Obama at all. If everyone had to conform to the views of one man, America would be a much worse off place.
I did read your whole post and I understand you are not for it. But the mere fact you can say, if people want to do it, then it's their choice is bad enough.
So you think it's right to limit people's choices? To a certain extent, I think that's right. You shouldn't just let people go around shooting others, but there is a line. You or I may not be able to come up with a reason why we'd see it as remotely plausible, but I'm sure there is a reason out there it just doesn't come to mind, much like euthanasia.
Edited by Woody., Jul 10 2008, 08:22 PM.
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Woody.
Jul 10 2008, 08:21 PM
Turntable Jack
Jul 10 2008, 08:17 PM
Woody.
Jul 10 2008, 08:10 PM
If you read the whole of my post you'd realise that I'm against infanticide. I think it's sick to kill a human being regardless of whether they've just been born or whatever. But I am not everyone, for whatever reason, someone may see a purpose for it.

EDIT: If moretek is correct. Then this has not effected my view of Obama at all. If everyone had to conform to the views of one man, America would be a much worse off place.
I did read your whole post and I understand you are not for it. But the mere fact you can say, if people want to do it, then it's their choice is bad enough.
So you think it's right to limit people's choices? To a certain extent, I think that's right. You shouldn't just let people go around shooting others, but there is a line. You or I may not be able to come up with a reason why we'd see it as remotely plausible, but I'm sure there is a reason out there it just doesn't come to mind, much like euthanasia.
Clearly choice for you is more important then the prevention of human suffering. After all, I mean, how dare we limit the choice for people to murder?

Its not as if Obama actively wants to kill babies, but the fact that he is not strongly against the murder of humans is disturbing. And if you try and bring it down to "you cant limit choice", then you lack morals to the deepest extent.
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I am the last person that wants babies to be thrown into dustbins and left to die, truly, I do not want that. And I think I speak for a large majority of people when I say that. I think I'm safe in saying that most parents do not want to just throw their child into a bin. However, there may be exceptions, similar to euthanasia, where the baby is going to have a horrible life or whatever, and if there is a law preventing this and the baby is going to live it's few short days/moths/years in aggony, is that really worth it? Obama seems to be quite into this law, so maybe he's changing it to something like that.
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