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| Penitent | Jul 14 2008, 07:06 PM Post #1 |
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I'm honestly curious here, I don't want to start a flame war or to start spewing god fearing/god denying hatred every which way. Christian attitudes to sex before marriage. Where in the Bible does it say it is a sin and why? If it is not mentioned then why treat it as such? How many of you have kept to this (if you do believe in God). I am not debating loyalty within marriage, thats irrelevant before anyone gets confused. If it is not mentioned as a sin and there is no clear reasoning then why do people still support it? Is it not a purely chauvinistic desire by men to have a "virgin wife". Properly implanted in a girls brain at an early stage it takes root and then continues on. What is the theological gain? Possibly a bit of a rambling post but I'm tired and looking forwards to another fun day in a pathology lab... |
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| Trav-man | Jul 14 2008, 08:50 PM Post #2 |
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Well, there is always the command to not commit adultery. (Exodus 20:14) Then we've got the numerous accounts reminding us to flee from sexual immorality. (1 Corinthians 6:18, for example.) The Bible doesn't explicitly say "Thou shalt not have sex outside of marriage" like a lot of people assume that it does. But God still makes his will for our lives in that area clear. He calls us live holy lives. The Apostle Paul actually says that it is better to not marry (presumably so that one might devote themselves more fully to advancing the Kingdom), but that if two cannot control their lust, than they should marry. It's obvious that sex outside of marriage is not the answer, according to Paul, then. And if I know my history, than in the times of the Old Testament, merely engaging in sexual relations constituted marriage between two people. That's the way that God created it to be, but obviously, in our day and age, things are different. Anyways I am not entirely sure if you are looking for scripture that condemns sex outside of marriage or if you are looking to have it explained why sex out of marriage is considered wrong so for now I will leave it at that. |
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| The Sentinel | Jul 14 2008, 08:56 PM Post #3 |
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That's how it is today,but not everywhere in the world does this happen. It's the media and the fact that people sometimes don't hold things so sacred that they would wait until a couple was married. |
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| Cyril | Jul 15 2008, 03:44 AM Post #4 |
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Well, technically, we aren't supposed to have sex before marriage, but things have changed over the centuries... |
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| Woody. | Jul 15 2008, 07:26 AM Post #5 |
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1 Corinthians 6:9 "neither fornicators". (NAS) but the NIV doesn't mention this. Further, the NIV goes on to say (under the heading of Sexual Immorality) ""Everything is permissible for me"—but not everything is beneficial. "Everything is permissible for me"—but I will not be mastered by anything." It's hard to tell. Some Bible's will say it isn't permissible, others won't say that. I think what the message is trying to say is "Don't go knock up some random Girl you meet, you might desire to, but you will regret it". Words of the wise really. I think if you did it in a committed relationship, that would be fine. If you do it on a one-night-stand you could well regret it afterwards, the Bible is trying to give advice, I'm would think you can do it, but it's important to learn from it if it all goes wrong. "To be old and wise, first you must be young and foolish" |
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| Kumori Shinpi | Jul 15 2008, 06:11 PM Post #6 |
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Edited by Kumori Shinpi, Mar 12 2017, 02:26 PM.
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| Woody. | Jul 16 2008, 05:44 AM Post #7 |
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Jesus explicitly says he speaks in parables and doesn't tell you the advice 'straight up' you and Jesus clearly have different opinions on how to get a point across ![]() And I disagree with you on that. If you are Christian, the Bible is your guide. And it's exactly that, a guide to your life, it's not trying to ruin it. |
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| Kumori Shinpi | Jul 16 2008, 05:48 PM Post #8 |
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Edited by Kumori Shinpi, Mar 12 2017, 02:26 PM.
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| Trav-man | Jul 17 2008, 12:39 AM Post #9 |
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That's Travtastic!
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Woody, your entire argument is flawed on a very fundamental level. For starters, the Bible, is not a book of advice. It is a book of history, a book of laws, a book of poetry and songs, a book of prophets, and a book of prophecy... but by no means is it a book of advice. A book of wisdom, sure. (The entire book of Proverbs is all about wisdom, after all.) Also, I have no idea what you are meaning or if you simply lack information when you make the statement "Some Bible's will say it isn't permissible, others won't say that." You're not going to open up a Bible in the New International Version and read "Thou shalt not have sex outside of marriage, I am the LORD", and then turn to the King James Version and find a verse like that omitted or worded in a way that changes the meaning. @Kumori... can you clarify at what point you are getting at with Mark 13:13? I looked it up and found "All men will hate you because of me, but he who stands firm to the end will be saved." I'm not sure exactly what your point is there. |
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| Modzilla | Jul 17 2008, 03:34 AM Post #10 |
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I think the old belief that sex before marriage is wrong originates from a time when people were getting married at very young ages. I don't believe humans were meant to stay celibate till they were 20+ |
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| Corndog328 | Jul 17 2008, 11:06 AM Post #11 |
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I'm a Christian, but I guess my views about sex before marriage aren't exactly "on par" with what it's "supposed" to be according to the views of many Christians. Not to rag on them or anything, it's good that they have the ability to stand firm in their beliefs based on something they've been told to do. But, I've had a time trying to figure out exactly what the benefits over waiting until marriage to have sex, or being in a strong, lasting relationship & having sex. Maybe I'm not as strong of a Christian as I should be, but I just don't see why it's wrong for a couple who's been together for years, but aren't quite married, or haven't really considered marriage just yet, to have sex. |
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| Woody. | Jul 17 2008, 02:13 PM Post #12 |
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Trav, it is that too, but it had advice incorporated in it, that is obvious to me. What Jesus says is advice on how we should live our lives. Yes, we should follow it and not just 'take it or leave it' but it is still, advice. Find out for yourself. In the NAS 1 Corinthians 6:9 will say 'nor fornicators' and in the NIV it won't mention that. Corndog, I agree with you. But marriage is seen as a very special 'joining' of two people, probably more so back then. |
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| Trav-man | Jul 17 2008, 02:47 PM Post #13 |
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That's Travtastic!
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When you call the Bible a book of advice, you make it seem as if it is a book of recommendations, and it is not. The Bible is not a book of advice, not a book of recommendations, and not a book of suggestions. It is either truth, or it is a lie. |
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| Woody. | Jul 17 2008, 04:04 PM Post #14 |
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Well I guess we disagree here. If a book has one mistake in it, it does not make the whole of the book falsehood. |
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| Trav-man | Jul 17 2008, 04:10 PM Post #15 |
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That's Travtastic!
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It's different from a normal book. When you take a text that makes the claim that it is divinely-inspired God-breathed scripture, it had better be true, or the book loses all of its credibility. |
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