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| Lone Stranger (S) | Oct 29 2008, 09:37 PM Post #76 |
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Or take their company somewhere else? Simple as that. They wouldn't get closed down. Although, moving a company would take some money. But it would be worth it. Oh, and I vote McCain because he isn't socialist, and he has the power. It is much better for a socialist to be a VP rather than be the president - the person with the greatest power. Edited by Lone Stranger, Oct 29 2008, 09:41 PM.
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| Gwennie | Oct 29 2008, 09:40 PM Post #77 |
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The "sharing the wealth" "socialism" anti-Obama people (here included) keep referring to is tax cuts to the middle class (anyone making under $200,000 a year), and to small businesses, and to companies that hire new U.S. citizens. At the expense of people making over $250,000 a year, and companies that have previously had tax breaks for MOVING jobs out of the United States. If that is socialism, then hell yes, I'm all for it! |
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| Lone Stranger (S) | Oct 29 2008, 09:44 PM Post #78 |
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Well, socialism didn't seem to work for Russia, so I will learn from their mistake and vote against socialism to the best of my ability: John McCain. |
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| Justin-ZNS | Oct 29 2008, 09:49 PM Post #79 |
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Then please point out which of Obama's plan are so socialistic. With veritable sources. |
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| Stephen | Oct 29 2008, 10:07 PM Post #80 |
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| Gwennie | Oct 29 2008, 10:44 PM Post #81 |
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Justin, he can't. All he can do is keep spewing the McCain'isms. He apparently wants companies who outsource American jobs to continue to be rewarded, and companies who hire U.S. citizens for jobs within the U.S. to continue being penalized for that. That's HIS brand of government. Not mine. |
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| Lone Stranger (S) | Oct 29 2008, 11:21 PM Post #82 |
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Thanks for explaining my views. They are rather contrary to what I have tried time and again to explain to you people, but obviously your bias (or stubbornness) blocks you from understanding anything I have posted. But thanks for trying. -_- And that is such a typical liberal; attacking the person instead of the issue. Edited by Lone Stranger, Oct 29 2008, 11:23 PM.
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| ==Kyuubi== | Oct 29 2008, 11:27 PM Post #83 |
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Not quite... in fact, according to studies done by the Tax foundation between 45 and 55 percent of small business could see a nice tax hike: source On a side note I got a good laugh out of this... so why not share it...
Edited by ==Kyuubi==, Oct 29 2008, 11:28 PM.
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| Lone Stranger (S) | Oct 29 2008, 11:34 PM Post #84 |
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==Kyuubi==, that's EXACTLY what I have been trying to say this ENTIRE time! The rich don't want to be taxed anymore. Why would they? They give us jobs. Without them and their money, we have no jobs and therefore no economy. So why are we taxing them even more? |
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| ==Kyuubi== | Oct 29 2008, 11:53 PM Post #85 |
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I'm not against penalizing some of the large corporation owners who get their enormous golden parachute rewards for failed business practices which put the lower level employees at economic risk and windfall. One of the few liberal areas I agree with... but I am against penalizing an entire demographic of income holders because an individual arbitrarily places a number on what he considers "wealthy." People who invest responsibly in the free market and take risks are rewarded accordingly, but it's not entirely to moral implications that bug me with Obama's policies, it's the method by which he's choosing to enact them, and his tax policy could hurt more people financially than it helps |
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| Ben | Oct 29 2008, 11:59 PM Post #86 |
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Obama is not a socialist. That's a silly misrepresentation being used by his opponents to scare uninformed voters (oooh, socialism is soooo scary). Obama is not a socialist, because tax cuts are not equivalent to socialism. Socialist policies may involve tax cuts, but tax cuts per se do not make a policy socialist. Even "redistributing wealth" does not a socialist policy make. Socialism is so much more than taxes. Socialism is a complete economic philosophy in which ownership is collective (usually by the state). I.e., if Obama were a socialist, he would be proposing that the government buy up Wall Street instead of bailing it out. A bailout may seem like a socialist manoeuvre (it's not, even if it does undermine the concept of a "free market"). However, it is ultimately a capitalist manoeuvre, because it's attempting to save a capitalist system. Socialism would require a new system altogether. While Obama may have some policies that seem socialist in nature, he is not a socialist. Labelling him as such only does a disservice to oneself and the American people in general. It's fine to disagree with Obama's proposals for the future of the country, but debate their pros and cons, not their labels. Otherwise one undermines the democratic process. Now let me digress into an observation as to why the American political climate is insane:
For the average, middle-class plumber, socialism is a good idea. Socialism does not benefit the elite, those who are on top, as much, since it does essentially mean an end to the elite. So socialism is not irrational, and it is not impractical. Countries other than the Soviet Union practise socialism to one degree or another (most of them are in Europe, so civilized North Americans don't talk about them). That's not to say, however, that socialism is the only rational theory of governance. Far from it. While socialism benefits the majority of the population, and thus seems like it would benefit the average voter, that doesn't mean one should necessary vote for socialist policies. It's possible that other factors may be present that means a socialist system is either a) impractical or otherwise bad for one's country. Those are valid reasons to support a competing theory, such as capitalism. So in short, what I mean to say is that socialism is a valid theory (some seem to be under the impression it's some sort of insane plan to steal everyone's money), but is not necessarily the only valid theory of governance. Thanks for the digression. Now back on to the topic. Er ... right. What was I saying? Oh right, Obama isn't a socialist. In fact, I'm rather disappointed with the way the McCain-Palin campaign has been throwing out pejorative labels at Obama's campaign in the past weeks. The amount of misinformation being spread by the right is shameful. Yes, the left does it too. There's all those rumours going around saying McCain's going to send jobs overseas and whatnot. However, when you rack up the number of embarrassing clips the candidates are providing to shows like The Daily Show and The Colbert Report ... McCain and Palin win. Aside from a Biden gaffe every couple of weeks, McCain and Palin have been providing us with a nonstop source of entertainment.So for that reason, if I were American, I would vote for John McCain. Because I can't get enough of those TV clips, and if he isn't elected President, what am I going to watch on TV and YouTube? LOLCATS? I think not. Also, I think John McCain is more likely to eliminate high school than Obama is (high school's quite elitist, after all). If high school gets eliminated, then Disney can't make any more High School Musicals. Go McCain!! Edited by Ben, Oct 30 2008, 12:02 AM.
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| ==Kyuubi== | Oct 30 2008, 12:43 AM Post #87 |
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Where Palin focuses on quantity Biden focuses on genuine quality but of course some his gaffe are much less of a joke...He tends to get somewhat of a free pass on his. Lest not forget as well his more recent boycott of an Orlando news station after an interview he had... link I'm not sure what's a better focus if we're dealing with small fry issues like small gaffes of speech but if you're using that as primary criteria for evaluation then I'm curious as to which would be more pressing, the quality of the gaffe or the quantity,,,, Edited by ==Kyuubi==, Oct 30 2008, 12:45 AM.
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| Stephen | Oct 30 2008, 01:02 AM Post #88 |
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I prefer Biden's gaffes. On another board someone said it best. Biden and McCain represent two grandfather archetypes: Biden is the grandpa who loves to spoil his grandchildren and slips them a five dollar bill when the parents aren't looking. McCain is the grandpa who likes to reminisce about how hard it was in his day and how kids today are too soft. |
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| Gwennie | Oct 30 2008, 01:16 AM Post #89 |
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Lone, you have been CONSTANTLY explaining Obama's views. But your explanations are rather contrary to what he has tried time and again to explain to you, but obviously your bias (or stubborness) blocks you from understanding anything he has said. But thanks for trying. And that is such a typical conservative; attacking the person instead of the issue. LOL |
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| Lone Stranger (S) | Oct 30 2008, 06:12 AM Post #90 |
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Hey, you started it.
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Oh right, Obama isn't a socialist. In fact, I'm rather disappointed with the way the McCain-Palin campaign has been throwing out pejorative labels at Obama's campaign in the past weeks. The amount of misinformation being spread by the right is shameful. Yes, the left does it too. There's all those rumours going around saying McCain's going to send jobs overseas and whatnot. However, when you rack up the number of embarrassing clips the candidates are providing to shows like The Daily Show and The Colbert Report ... McCain and Palin win.
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