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Humans = Animals?; Religious Topic *WARNING*
Topic Started: Nov 3 2005, 08:04 PM (560 Views)
Shroud
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Trojo Spyps
Nov 4 2005, 10:31 PM
I'm sorry, I just can't grasp the logic of that statement, Shroud. Hypothetical scenario;

All the animals, including humans, are at a low level of intelligence. What did homo sapiens discover or do to make them more intelligent?

Any possible example will do.

Self awareness.
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tell her this mamals are anmials humans are mamals so thus humans are anmials

also disovery of fire,
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By a scientific definition, we are animals. Humans have blatant arrogance that attempts to seperate them from the rest of their kind, but that doesn't change the fact. So, we have thumbs and advanced vocal chords. That doesn't mean we are immortal.
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Nov 5 2005, 12:40 AM
By a scientific definition, we are animals. Humans have blatant arrogance that attempts to seperate them from the rest of their kind, but that doesn't change the fact. So, we have thumbs and advanced vocal chords. That doesn't mean we are immortal.

Then again, just because something is not an animal, does not make it immortal. Otherwise, I agree.
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Nov 5 2005, 12:49 AM
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By a scientific definition, we are animals. Humans have blatant arrogance that attempts to seperate them from the rest of their kind, but that doesn't change the fact. So, we have thumbs and advanced vocal chords. That doesn't mean we are immortal.

Then again, just because something is not an animal, does not make it immortal. Otherwise, I agree.

If you refer to bring immortal in the figurative sense, on some levels it could mean that. It would just signify that we are exalted, and on a different level.
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Trojo Spyps
Nov 4 2005, 10:31 PM
I'm sorry, I just can't grasp the logic of that statement, Shroud. Hypothetical scenario;

All the animals, including humans, are at a low level of intelligence. What did homo sapiens discover or do to make them more intelligent?

Any possible example will do.

Self awareness.

What does self-awareness include? Realizing oneself's existence? Being capable of logical thought beyond instinct?
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Animals have the following classifications:


1. Have a multicellular structure
2. must use other living organism for food
3. can reproduce sexually


Any living organism with those characteristics are animals.
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Shroud
Nov 4 2005, 11:06 PM
Trojo Spyps
Nov 4 2005, 10:31 PM
I'm sorry, I just can't grasp the logic of that statement, Shroud. Hypothetical scenario;

All the animals, including humans, are at a low level of intelligence. What did homo sapiens discover or do to make them more intelligent?

Any possible example will do.

Self awareness.

What does self-awareness include? Realizing oneself's existence? Being capable of logical thought beyond instinct?

Realising oneself's existance.

Most animals don't have self awareness, I'll chance it that Dolphins and Seels do (As with some other water mammals), and some land mammals, but without apposable thumbs and immense strength, this self awareness won't help them get by.

Plus, a humans brain is naturally stronger than an animals, so wth self awareness, we realized what we were doing. Thus, starting to change our way of life
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Nov 5 2005, 01:21 AM
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Nov 4 2005, 11:06 PM
Trojo Spyps
Nov 4 2005, 10:31 PM
I'm sorry, I just can't grasp the logic of that statement, Shroud. Hypothetical scenario;

All the animals, including humans, are at a low level of intelligence. What did homo sapiens discover or do to make them more intelligent?

Any possible example will do.

Self awareness.

What does self-awareness include? Realizing oneself's existence? Being capable of logical thought beyond instinct?

Realising oneself's existance.

Most animals don't have self awareness, I'll chance it that Dolphins and Seels do (As with some other water mammals), and some land mammals, but without apposable thumbs and immense strength, this self awareness won't help them get by.

Plus, a humans brain is naturally stronger than an animals, so wth self awareness, we realized what we were doing. Thus, starting to change our way of life

This brings me back to my original question: How? How did we become self aware? What happened to us that didn't to, say, a snake or owl, that allowed us to realize what we were doing?
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I don't believe for one second that we are animals and we came frm primates, it just doesn't make any-sense at all, if you disagree explain.
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Humans are different than animals, according to the Bible (as Trav-man already posted)

It is kind of depressing, to believe that we evolved from monkeys and have no reason whatsoever to be on this Earth...just another animal.

I believe it is really the soul that separates us.

Noun
1. The animating and vital principle in humans, credited with the faculties of thought, action, and emotion and often conceived as an immaterial entity. 2. The spiritual nature of humans, regarded as immortal, separable from the body at death, and susceptible to happiness or misery in a future state.

Also said to be the "emotional or moral nature" of a human.
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Your sister says that humans are creations of God. But didn't God create all animals too? I don't really believe in God, and this is my view on this, and it may seem "out there" to people.

The Bible was written by humans, from the viewpoint of humans, so of course it will say that humans are the 'special' creations of God. I'm sure that to other animals, or if they ever evolved enough to have this kind of thought process, they would be the 'special' creations of God.

I firmly believe that it is very likely we descended from apes. The Big Bang theory is also correct in my opinion. Strangely enough, I'm an Acholyte in my church. O_o
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Trojo Spyps
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Nov 5 2005, 01:21 AM
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Shroud
Nov 4 2005, 11:06 PM
Trojo Spyps
Nov 4 2005, 10:31 PM
I'm sorry, I just can't grasp the logic of that statement, Shroud. Hypothetical scenario;

All the animals, including humans, are at a low level of intelligence. What did homo sapiens discover or do to make them more intelligent?

Any possible example will do.

Self awareness.

What does self-awareness include? Realizing oneself's existence? Being capable of logical thought beyond instinct?

Realising oneself's existance.

Most animals don't have self awareness, I'll chance it that Dolphins and Seels do (As with some other water mammals), and some land mammals, but without apposable thumbs and immense strength, this self awareness won't help them get by.

Plus, a humans brain is naturally stronger than an animals, so wth self awareness, we realized what we were doing. Thus, starting to change our way of life

This brings me back to my original question: How? How did we become self aware? What happened to us that didn't to, say, a snake or owl, that allowed us to realize what we were doing?

This is where it becomes coin flipping and roulette spinning.

It could have been pretty much anything, we were manufactured that way, our brains were naturally powerful enough to grasp self-awareness, even purely good luck that someone thought "Hold on... what am I doing? Why am I doing this?"
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Nov 5 2005, 10:51 AM
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Nov 5 2005, 01:21 AM
Trojo Spyps
Nov 5 2005, 01:01 AM
Shroud
Nov 4 2005, 11:06 PM
Trojo Spyps
Nov 4 2005, 10:31 PM
I'm sorry, I just can't grasp the logic of that statement, Shroud. Hypothetical scenario;

All the animals, including humans, are at a low level of intelligence. What did homo sapiens discover or do to make them more intelligent?

Any possible example will do.

Self awareness.

What does self-awareness include? Realizing oneself's existence? Being capable of logical thought beyond instinct?

Realising oneself's existance.

Most animals don't have self awareness, I'll chance it that Dolphins and Seels do (As with some other water mammals), and some land mammals, but without apposable thumbs and immense strength, this self awareness won't help them get by.

Plus, a humans brain is naturally stronger than an animals, so wth self awareness, we realized what we were doing. Thus, starting to change our way of life

This brings me back to my original question: How? How did we become self aware? What happened to us that didn't to, say, a snake or owl, that allowed us to realize what we were doing?

This is where it becomes coin flipping and roulette spinning.

It could have been pretty much anything, we were manufactured that way, our brains were naturally powerful enough to grasp self-awareness, even purely good luck that someone thought "Hold on... what am I doing? Why am I doing this?"

You keep going around what I'm asking, back to your orignial statement, which is "We got more intelligent by chance." Why us? What made us think "Hold on...what am I doing and why?"

Also, if we had instincts to begin with, then we should know why we were doing what we were doing at that time, if we suddenly gained as much intelligence as you suggest. Wouldn't the answer be "to survive"?
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Humans ARE animals. We are mammals. It is pointless to think we are not. We have all the functions of animals. Gorillas and apes are among the closest thing to what humans are, we just look different.
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