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Can you use deodorant?
Topic Started: Jul 18 2009, 07:17 AM (5,537 Views)
Tip Jul 20 2009, 09:34 AM Post #31
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 A taser works just as effective. But then again so i pepper spray which i can easily get my hands on round here.
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Aaron Jul 20 2009, 10:26 AM Post #32
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Jul 20 2009, 08:41 AM
Das
Jul 20 2009, 04:01 AM
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Jul 19 2009, 11:56 AM
I have a more sinister idea. Put a load of super glue into an air tight spray bottle, spray in assailant's eyes, and sit back and laugh :D
What makes you think you can reach in your pocket, grab something, get it to eye level and spray without them doing something? Especially if they're already on top of you.
Isn't that what you'd have to do with a gun? Except you'd have to take it out of a). your holster, b). your sock or c). your pants and then if you're trying not to kill them you have to do a jack bauer and somehow aim in the perfect place, then shoot, without them doing anything.
Actually no,

Most of the time them just knowing you are armed (with a gun) will stop or prevent the person from going farther with the assault. Just showing them the butt of the gun can stop it, some times though the business end may be needed. ;)
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Wrath of the Gods Jul 20 2009, 08:11 PM Post #33
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 Under Irish law, you can use reasonable force to protect yourself, your family and your property. I would interpret this to mean that you could use a deodrant to protect yourself if you had a genuine reason to believe that your life was at risk.

Irish law is based upon UK las so I would imagine that you have a similar law there. Deodrant is by no means illegal in either country so...
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Das Jul 20 2009, 08:45 PM Post #34
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Jul 20 2009, 08:41 AM
Das
Jul 20 2009, 04:01 AM
Paper
Jul 19 2009, 11:56 AM
I have a more sinister idea. Put a load of super glue into an air tight spray bottle, spray in assailant's eyes, and sit back and laugh :D
What makes you think you can reach in your pocket, grab something, get it to eye level and spray without them doing something? Especially if they're already on top of you.
Isn't that what you'd have to do with a gun? Except you'd have to take it out of a). your holster, b). your sock or c). your pants and then if you're trying not to kill them you have to do a jack bauer and somehow aim in the perfect place, then shoot, without them doing anything.
That's why you don't fight back unless you know you could win without a weapon.
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Deleted User Jul 21 2009, 04:14 AM Post #35
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 Just out of curiosity, why is pepper spray illegal where you are?
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Wrath of the Gods Jul 21 2009, 06:37 AM Post #36
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 The UK and Ireland both seem to have a certain paranoia when it comes to items that are only meant for one purpose: as a weapon. It's a cultural phenomenon I suppose. And neither country has ''the right to bear arms'' so I guess that that explains it.
Edited by Wrath of the Gods, Jul 21 2009, 06:37 AM.
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Deleted User Jul 21 2009, 07:12 AM Post #37
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 So if you walked around carrying a cricket bat with lots of nails sticking out of it, could you get away with claiming it was a back scratcher?
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OcelotJay Jul 21 2009, 08:23 AM Post #38
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Jul 21 2009, 07:12 AM
So if you walked around carrying a cricket bat with lots of nails sticking out of it, could you get away with claiming it was a back scratcher?
I believe such a model is already available at all reputable cricket stores, soon to be used in upcoming Ashes matches. And if that doesn't guarantee victory, I don't know what will. =r
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Deleted User Jul 21 2009, 04:02 PM Post #39
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 Nice...
Looks a bit like something one of my kinky friends has in his toy box though. :r
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FearKiller Jul 21 2009, 04:22 PM Post #40
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 What about a martial arts class? Perhaps some weight training to make your appearance more intimidating?

Or I suppose you can just search online on how to build weapons out of house hold products. You can make a burning laser with a flashlight and DVD drive. The Works toilet bowl cleaner mixed with tin foil in an air tight container is a ticking time bomb. Lets not forget what happens when you mix chlorine with motor oil. I'm not saying these would be the best things in your situation. Just giving examples of what can be done with your basic non-threatening products.

The best solution IMO is to contact your local law enforcement personnel.
Edited by FearKiller, Jul 21 2009, 04:23 PM.
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Fernicia Jul 21 2009, 04:44 PM Post #41
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Wrath of the Gods
Jul 20 2009, 08:11 PM
Under Irish law, you can use reasonable force to protect yourself, your family and your property. I would interpret this to mean that you could use a deodrant to protect yourself if you had a genuine reason to believe that your life was at risk.
Actually, it's legal to use any force necessary to protect yourself, family etc.
As for these weapon restrictions it's very subjective. If you're a young man with a shaved head with loads of similarly rough looking friends, holding anything that could reasonably turn into a weapon would warrant arrest (I'm walking about holding pepper spray or a cricket bat) but if you're a woman or a decent looking man no one's going to object to you holding pepper spray or even a baseball bat.
The gardaí (Irish police) are generally just trying to prevent violence and injury. They don't really stick to any strict rule book.
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dscuber9000 Jul 21 2009, 11:16 PM Post #42
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Jul 18 2009, 07:17 AM
However, I'm not too concerned about legalities, I'm of the opinion that unfortunately the British law protects the criminals' rights more than it protects the victims.
As someone who has been maced because someone wanted to see if it actually worked, I can say that it should just go away. :ph34r:

Or at least get a kind of license like you would a gun. In America, at least. I have no idea what Britain's gun laws are like.
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OcelotJay Jul 22 2009, 08:43 AM Post #43
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Jul 21 2009, 04:44 PM
Wrath of the Gods
Jul 20 2009, 08:11 PM
Under Irish law, you can use reasonable force to protect yourself, your family and your property. I would interpret this to mean that you could use a deodrant to protect yourself if you had a genuine reason to believe that your life was at risk.
Actually, it's legal to use any force necessary to protect yourself, family etc.
True but under law reasonable force is usually emphasised because the law recognises that there is such a thing as unnecessary force (i.e. when the victim becomes the aggressor). Killing a petty thief when you're life's not under threat is usually frowned upon, though very tempting. =r
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Wrath of the Gods Jul 22 2009, 05:22 PM Post #44
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Jul 21 2009, 04:44 PM
Wrath of the Gods
Jul 20 2009, 08:11 PM
Under Irish law, you can use reasonable force to protect yourself, your family and your property. I would interpret this to mean that you could use a deodrant to protect yourself if you had a genuine reason to believe that your life was at risk.
Actually, it's legal to use any force necessary to protect yourself, family etc.


Where is your law degree, may I ask? It is reasonable force because unless it said that if you tapped me on the leg with your foot (assault right?) I would be able to brain you with a golf club.

In any case Irish Common law allows for reasonable force to be used in self defence which would be in addition to these statutory provisions and would also cover when self defence results in homicide. Irish law adopts the reductive approach as per DPP v. Kealty (http://www.ucc.ie/law/irlii/cases/x4_53.htm). What this means is if you thought the force was reasonable, and the jury thought objectively the force was reasonable you get an acquittal. However if you honestly thought the force was reasonable but the jury thinks it was objectively unreasonable you get convicted of manslaughter. If however the jury do not believe you honestly thought the force was reasonable you are convicted of murder.

In using self defence, there is a duty to retreat if this is practicable (R. v. Palmer), for example if you were assaulted in the street and you used self defence, and then circumstances arose where you could safely retreat but chose not to and continued to attack the assailant you would be liable for assault. This duty to retreat however doesn't apply to force used against an unlawful entrant when you are in your own home. (This exception to the duty to retreat is called the castle doctrine, your home is your castle
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Lindsey Jul 23 2009, 01:54 AM Post #45
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Jul 21 2009, 04:22 PM
What about a martial arts class?
Despite what people think, just taking a martial arts class won't prepare you for a street fight. I'm currently a blue belt (a brown belt if my test on Saturday goes well) in Tang Soo Do and what we do is practice predetermined forms and half-hearted one-steps more than anything. We practice self-defense, yes... but it's only getting out of chokes and holds, nothing of what comes after it. It's all spiffy information but useless unless you know how to string it all together... and they don't teach you that. I suppose that comes as you study martial arts longer; but it takes a long time to use martial arts as a self-defense effectively.

Then you have the many, many variables of the fight which they can't possibly teach you either. And then a lot of it happens to be the awareness you're in a bad situation before you're actually in it - like doing a variant of a kick because doing the other kick would land you in an awkward position due to the area you're in.

And another thing about martial arts, if you're interested in learning it for self-defense: Study a grappling art first. Styles like Tang Soo Do or Tae Kwon Do are standing arts that don't focus on ground fighting. I'm useless when I get thrown on the ground - all I can hope to do is bite and break fingers as I scramble back to my feet. Most street fights end up on the ground.

But by all means, take a martial arts. An aspect of surviving a fight is the condition you're in. There are so many other benefits to studying martial arts. And if you keep with it long enough, you will be able to use it as a self-defense.
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