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Opera
Topic Started: Aug 20 2010, 10:17 AM (2,935 Views)
Ayothes
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I've been using Google Chrome lately, and then I decided to try out Opera. Are there any ways it's better? Because it looks very similar to me. Also, I've noticed that the ZB icon on at least two of the boards I visit looks really fuzzy.

Or is this pointless, and is Google Chrome better than Opera in every way?
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Ayothes
Aug 20 2010, 10:17 AM
Or is this pointless, and is Google Chrome better than Opera in every way?
Yes. It has been scientifically proven that Google Chrome is smarter, better-looking, and more polite than Opera. It's also sexier, fruitier, and has more ninja skills than Opera could ever hope to have. :arr:

Seriously though, there is no way to objectively determine if one browser is "better" than another, because it's a subjective term. Yes, there are objective benchmark categories--such as speed, security, memory usage, ease of customization, etc.--but none of these guarantee that a browser is "better" than its competition. Because humans are irrational.

I use Firefox. It doesn't matter how many rational arguments you might make to persuade me to switch to Google Chrome. You can picket my house for a year, and I'd still probably use Firefox. In many of the aforementioned benchmarks, Google Chrome is demonstrably superior to Firefox. But I like Firefox, and it works for me. So why switch?

And that is the case with a lot of people. Browser choice, like most choice, is a matter of convenience and preference. Fortunately, as browsers go, we are doing very well. Google Chrome, Opera, and Firefox are all fine browsers with devoted communities and devoted detractors. Choose one that works for you--or use them all. Or go use Safari. Or Lynx. It doesn't matter. ;)
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I can tell you this, Opera Mobile appears to be junk. The cursor drags across the screen so slow its frustrating.
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Well, I rather like the customization options, and the mouse gestures are useful when you get used to them.
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Ayothes
Aug 22 2010, 12:17 AM
the mouse gestures are useful when you get used to them.
I rely on them now, so now using IE or Chromium to test things frustrates me a little. :P
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I only use Firefox. It allows me to stop collecting history without being in private mode and I can't live without its add-ons, like the Yahoo Toolbar, Web Developer, GMail Manager, Colorzilla, Web of Trust, Adblock Plus, Easy Youtube Video Downloader, and Youtube to MP3.

Plus images look HORRIBLE in Opera! They are different than other browsers (more grayscale). Anything CSS that does:
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background:url(image url) repeat-x top #HEX CODE;
with an image that isn't grayscale will have the image continuing on to a color that doesn't match. Same things go with IE except the hex code color changes.

I only have Google Chrome, Safari, and Opera to test how my themes look in the other browsers.

Opera also uses a different browser base, like the Mozilla (Firefox and Seamonkey) Webkit (Chrome and Safari) and Trident (IE) browser base.

Switch to Firefox. Soon Firefox 4 is coming too, with support for things like image cursors and CSS transformations. There is NO reason not to switch to Firefox, unless you have under 1 GB of memory.
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ElementalAlchemist
Aug 22 2010, 06:49 PM
I rely on them now, so now using IE or Chromium to test things frustrates me a little. :P
It's a pity they don't have any for copy-pasting. At least, not that I know of.
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Pandorasaurus
Aug 22 2010, 10:20 PM
Plus images look HORRIBLE in Opera! They are different than other browsers (more grayscale).
They do not. In my experience, they look the same as in any other browser. If anything, images look way to different in Safari.
Pandorasaurus
Aug 22 2010, 10:20 PM
Opera also uses a different browser base, like the Mozilla (Firefox and Seamonkey) Webkit (Chrome and Safari) and Trident (IE) browser base.
That's never hurt anything. Yes, there's Presto, Gecko, Webkit, and Trident, but the differences among them (except with Trident) never hurt anything. :P At least not really badly. But Firefox and both Chrome and Safari use different rendering engines... should we abandon Fx or Chrome and Safari also? I think not.
Pandorasaurus
Aug 22 2010, 10:20 PM
Switch to Firefox. Soon Firefox 4 is coming too, with support for things like image cursors and CSS transformations.
So does Webkit already, and probably Opera at least some amount (I haven't checked on those specific things in a while, but Webkit-based browsers and Opera tend to be the most ahead of the game in the area of new advancements).
Pandorasaurus
Aug 22 2010, 10:20 PM
There is NO reason not to switch to Firefox, unless you have under 1 GB of memory.
That much?! There's a good reason right there. A browser shouldn't even get close to that amount. :P
In my coding experience, Chromium and Opera (I'm running Linux :P ) tend to agree with me most. Firefox hates me, so I hate it back in general, and IE... well, it's IE. I shouldn't have to go into details.

If Mozilla wants to get with the program and start supporting the CSS standard properties either in addition to or in place of its -moz equivalents where CSS standard properties exist, I'll probably hate it a little less. I don't remember what I was doing the other day, but I was thinking that I might as well have had a separate CSS for Fx... that may have been somewhat of an exaggeration, but that was the idea of it.
Edited by ElementalAlchemist, Aug 23 2010, 02:51 AM.
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Is there a way to make it so that when you open a link in a new tab, it stays on the current tab? When I get a large amount of notifications on Facebook or something similar, then I like to stay on the page with the links while opening them in new tabs.
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Right click -> Open in Background Tab
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Mouse Gesture: Down, then up. (Note that Down, then up not starting on a link will create a duplicate tab of the current one in the foreground.)
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Aug 28 2010, 10:48 AM
Right click -> Open in Background Tab
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Mouse Gesture: Down, then up. (Note that Down, then up not starting on a link will create a duplicate tab of the current one in the foreground.)
No, it's Tools --> Preferences (or whatever it's called in Windows) --> Tabs --> When I open a new link in a new tab switch to it immediately. Unselect it.

For Mac it's the same, except click the Firefox to go to Preferences.
ElementalAlchemist
Aug 23 2010, 02:42 AM
Pandorasaurus
Aug 22 2010, 10:20 PM
Plus images look HORRIBLE in Opera! They are different than other browsers (more grayscale).
They do not. In my experience, they look the same as in any other browser. If anything, images look way to different in Safari.
Really? That must be because you're on Windows, because everything looks horrible in Windows.
Edited by Pando-ZNS, Aug 28 2010, 03:29 PM.
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Aug 28 2010, 03:29 PM
ElementalAlchemist
Aug 28 2010, 10:48 AM
Right click -> Open in Background Tab
OR
Mouse Gesture: Down, then up. (Note that Down, then up not starting on a link will create a duplicate tab of the current one in the foreground.)
No, it's Tools --> Preferences (or whatever it's called in Windows) --> Tabs --> When I open a new link in a new tab switch to it immediately. Unselect it.

For Mac it's the same, except click the Firefox to go to Preferences.
Not Firefox, Opera. Notice that this whole topic is about Opera.
Pandorasaurus
Aug 28 2010, 03:29 PM
ElementalAlchemist
Aug 23 2010, 02:42 AM
Pandorasaurus
Aug 22 2010, 10:20 PM
Plus images look HORRIBLE in Opera! They are different than other browsers (more grayscale).
They do not. In my experience, they look the same as in any other browser. If anything, images look way to different in Safari.
Really? That must be because you're on Windows, because everything looks horrible in Windows.
I'm on Linux, but Windows shows them the same. In my experience, Macs (at least Safari) tend to display web images stupidly (i.e. darker or something. I don't remember exactly how).
Edited by ElementalAlchemist, Aug 28 2010, 04:13 PM.
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Aug 23 2010, 02:42 AM
..Firefox hates me, so I hate it back in general..
Agreed. I upgraded to 3.6.8 a few days ago, and it's decided running nice and slow is a perfect option.

I have Opera on here too. The only issue I have is it takes a moment to open, and adds itself to my icon panel; so it can be hidden. And my bookmarks are up-side-down for some reason. ^o)

I put Midori on a few days ago, and it seems to be a nice little browser. ^_^ .. I may run it for a week or so and see if I wish to make the switch. But I can't seem to find the bookmark import option, and I need/want User Scripts; but not all of them work. Nor in Opera. :(

Edit: Turns out I needed to up-date Midori. :P
Edited by Tony, Aug 28 2010, 06:11 PM.
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Thanks. :) Unfortunately, I can't seem to locate Pandora's solution.
I'm on a Mac, (not my choice) and Opera does tend to be rather idiotic with images. Firefox and Chrome are fine with them, however, and I don't use Safari.
Edited by Ayothes, Aug 28 2010, 06:21 PM.
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Tony
Aug 28 2010, 05:24 PM
I need/want User Scripts; but not all of them work. Nor in Opera. :(
Most scripts, in order to use scripts on the page, must have some unsafeWindow thing in Firefox which Opera doesn't recognize; you'll need to remove that if you expect to use them. :P In general, with the exception of that, most scripts should work in both.
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