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SZ Official Debate #15
Topic Started: Dec 2 2005, 12:58 AM (374 Views)
Vettore
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The United Nations have no real power, they were against George bush going to war in Iraq, but in the end they cannot actually do anything. I see the United Nations as a complete failure, like the League of Nations created by Woodrow Willson. The Leage of Nations had no real power either, and so was unable to stop wars such as when Japan invaded China.
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TrippFrank
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Personally I think that they are corrupt.Thats just my opinion and don't ask Why because the reply will be Why Not?When a question arises about such things lay back and watch the crowds go at it while you chill.
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Shroud
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Pud
Dec 5 2005, 05:48 PM
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abolish rumours (Don't forget this was a key fact that helped cause WW1).


That is false, world war one started because the archduke of austria-hungary (franz ferdinand) was shot to death while visiting casualties in Serbia, which led to a chain of events, such as germany invading belgium to get past the hills and such.

Don't be a fool, you think that murder was the only cause? What about the Arms Race? Germany's lack of an empire? The land took by Germany from France? Italy, France and Tunis?
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Shroud
Dec 5 2005, 07:00 PM
Pud
Dec 5 2005, 05:48 PM
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abolish rumours (Don't forget this was a key fact that helped cause WW1).


That is false, world war one started because the archduke of austria-hungary (franz ferdinand) was shot to death while visiting casualties in Serbia, which led to a chain of events, such as germany invading belgium to get past the hills and such.

Don't be a fool, you think that murder was the only cause? What about the Arms Race? Germany's lack of an empire? The land took by Germany from France? Italy, France and Tunis?

You are correct.
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Pud
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The land took by Germany from France


It was alsace - lorraine...

BTW there were thousands of reasons for the start of world war 1, i was referring to that one
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Um, the League of Nations was formed after WWI, not the UN. The League of Nations was really an ineffective body, because it was supposed to have all this power but it really didn't have any, since the US wasn't in it. The League of Nations brought another world war within 20 years.

The UN's been around for 50 years already though. There's really no reason to get rid of it. It's a nice way for countries to get together and talk without being an international legislative body. We can't really just stick our heads in the sand again and say "abolish the UN", that's exactly the kind of backwards thinking that could start another world war.
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Dec 5 2005, 08:30 PM
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The land took by Germany from France


It was alsace - lorraine...

BTW there were thousands of reasons for the start of world war 1, i was referring to that one

But you said that my reasoning for WW1 was false?
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Sam
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The UN is just a false guise for something that doesn't actually occur.
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.Rob
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I see how easy it could be too corrupt the UN. We could simply put a dirty politician as out represantative and when America swings one way im guessing the smaller nations would do the same. It can and could easily be corrupt at this moment. But its here to help, and I dont think its a bad thing.
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Sam
Dec 5 2005, 08:10 PM
The UN is just a false guise for something that doesn't actually occur.

There have been live-brodcasted summit meatings where known world leaders discussed major issues, and you're saying it's a hoax?
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But you said that my reasoning for WW1 was false?


Yes all of it was false, unreasoned, and was driven by the arms races and the lust for a better empire. What i really think is dumb, is the way our country, when we look back on the war, were jsut as bad as all the other reasons, take the U.K for example, our reason was 'we think that germany is getting to powerful, we need to protect belgium because of a 70 year old treaty that no-one remembers'

we all had stupid and pointless reasons for going to war, franz ferdinand just kiked it off, it would have happened anyways.
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Dec 8 2005, 12:21 PM
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But you said that my reasoning for WW1 was false?


Yes all of it was false, unreasoned, and was driven by the arms races and the lust for a better empire. What i really think is dumb, is the way our country, when we look back on the war, were jsut as bad as all the other reasons, take the U.K for example, our reason was 'we think that germany is getting to powerful, we need to protect belgium because of a 70 year old treaty that no-one remembers'

we all had stupid and pointless reasons for going to war, franz ferdinand just kiked it off, it would have happened anyways.

But my reasoning was still a reason.

On the case of that, Britain was protecting their empire and simply using escuses. It's natural for them to feel threatened when Germany is becoming so powerful so fast. Not that I condemn/accept that reasoning.
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we shouuld condemn their reasons, they were all petty, we were looking for a war to make our empires bigger, it was a stupid war and we could not do anything about it, franz ferdinand was jsut the person who started it off, it would have happened anyway.
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I know it would have began anyway, but Britain had an empire it didn't want to lose, so it protected it's empire. If it didn't, Britain probably could have ended up as a LEDC. Germany need an empire because it had nothing. It had no country giving them resources; they ahd nowhere to gain their resources. It's a war that needed fighting, it has made the world what it is today, and the world today is great. For me, anyway.
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Shroud
Dec 9 2005, 02:44 PM
I know it would have began anyway, but Britain had an empire it didn't want to lose, so it protected it's empire. If it didn't, Britain probably could have ended up as a LEDC. Germany need an empire because it had nothing. It had no country giving them resources; they ahd nowhere to gain their resources. It's a war that needed fighting, it has made the world what it is today, and the world today is great. For me, anyway.

So, World War 2 was a good thing in your opinion? :ermm:
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