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Firefox 4
Topic Started: Mar 22 2011, 10:12 PM (2,263 Views)
Pando-ZNS
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Firefox 4 was released today, what are your thoughts on it?

I love it, and has finally removed any thoughts in my head about switching to chrome. And with the status-4-evar add-on, I have no regrets about going to FF4.
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It's very interesting, that's for sure. I've been considering trying it out as my main. :P
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The continued separation of the address bar and the search bar will keep me from switching back to Firefox from Chrome. I'm too used to the Omnibar (which has its flaws but much better than the Firefox Awesomebar) to switch back.

The design elements on Firefox 4 obviously take from Opera and Chrome (mostly Opera) and are flawed in their execution, in my opinion. The new Firefox button's submenu layout is a bit confusing and could use some reorganizing. Again, the Awesomebar and the search bar being separate still make it see outdated and the new interface changes seem superficial. However, despite its flaws the speed increases in the rendering and JavaScript engine, as well as the interface hanging up less, are much appreciated.
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I definitely agree with Fission about the search bar. It seems so much more convenient to have all of that in one place.
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I've always used Firefox, and just downloaded 4. Pretty impressed, a lot slimmer and smoother. :D
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Ben
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How does one select from among various search plugins in browsers where the search bar is integrated with the location bar?
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Don't know about all of you, but if I submit a search in the address bar, it searches the web. Albeit, it defaults to Google, but that can be changed in about:config via browser.search.defaultenginename

I'm sure you could then hide the search field. :ermm:
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I just got this as Firefox 3.6.16 had some massive error when I updated to it and kept killing itself. So now I'm forced into FF4. Reminds me a lot of how Google Chrome is layed out. Doesn't work with some stuff like Microsoft NET assistant or whatever it is but I don't think that's a big deal.
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Mar 23 2011, 12:24 PM
Reminds me a lot of how Google Chrome is layed out.
I did find a screenshot (since Ubuntu still hasn't packaged version 4). It does still look almost exactly like Opera. Get Opera and compare. :P
(This was lucky because most screenshots are from the beta.)
Edited by ElementalAlchemist, Mar 23 2011, 12:34 PM.
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Mar 22 2011, 10:42 PM
The continued separation of the address bar and the search bar will keep me from switching back to Firefox from Chrome. I'm too used to the Omnibar (which has its flaws but much better than the Firefox Awesomebar) to switch back.

The design elements on Firefox 4 obviously take from Opera and Chrome (mostly Opera) and are flawed in their execution, in my opinion. The new Firefox button's submenu layout is a bit confusing and could use some reorganizing. Again, the Awesomebar and the search bar being separate still make it see outdated and the new interface changes seem superficial. However, despite its flaws the speed increases in the rendering and JavaScript engine, as well as the interface hanging up less, are much appreciated.
Just to continue this: there are also some flaws and inconsistencies with things like bookmarks and downloads and history. History opens in a sidebar, bookmarks pops up in its own window with design elements that don't match the rest of Firefox, and downloads pops up in its own window, as well. I'd think that by this point Firefox might have joined Chrome and just put everything in tabs (like they did with the add-ons handler) but they've left the pop-up-obsessed interface elements that make it a bit annoying to use.

Again, the browser has its strong points in speed and performance, but its interface changes are superficial and inconsistent.
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ElementalAlchemist
Mar 23 2011, 12:33 PM
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Mar 23 2011, 12:24 PM
Reminds me a lot of how Google Chrome is layed out.
I did find a screenshot (since Ubuntu still hasn't packaged version 4). It does still look almost exactly like Opera. Get Opera and compare. :P
On Windows: It looks like Chrome (with tabs on top). On OS X: It looks like Opera (with tabs on top). On Ubuntu: no idea :P

I just wish that Firefox on OS X merged the title bar and tab bar when tabs are on top. Wasted pixels right there.
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Mar 23 2011, 12:43 PM
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Mar 23 2011, 12:33 PM
Moonface
Mar 23 2011, 12:24 PM
Reminds me a lot of how Google Chrome is layed out.
I did find a screenshot (since Ubuntu still hasn't packaged version 4). It does still look almost exactly like Opera. Get Opera and compare. :P
On Windows: It looks like Chrome (with tabs on top). On OS X: It looks like Opera (with tabs on top). On Ubuntu: no idea :P

I just wish that Firefox on OS X merged the title bar and tab bar when tabs are on top. Wasted pixels right there.
Opera also has tabs on top, as well as an Opera button (like Firefox 4's new Firefox button) in the upper left on Windows. It really is more like Opera than Chrome, and I do agree: it could do with some changes to leave more pixels for the website it's loading by compressing some of the interface elements.
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^ Click this. (note: I name some of my bookmarks weird names, so... beware profanity?)

Here's a comparison from left to right: Firefox 4, Opera 11.01, Chrome 11 (dev channel release), and Internet Explorer 9. Firefox 4 and Opera share almost identical interface elements, while Chrome and IE9 are similar (though IE9 uses more Aero elements and has a more compressed interface, I haven't really played around with it that much) but are each different in their own rights.
Edited by Fission, Mar 23 2011, 01:09 PM.
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Well figured out why my FF4 and FF3.6.16 were going weird. Norton kept hating on the plugin-container.exe file. Stupid thing. I told it to leave it alone and play nice and now it's all good it seems. :D
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Fission
Mar 23 2011, 12:46 PM
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^ Click this. (note: I name some of my bookmarks weird names, so... beware profanity?)

Here's a comparison from left to right: Firefox 4, Opera 11.01, Chrome 11 (dev channel release), and Internet Explorer 9. Firefox 4 and Opera share almost identical interface elements, while Chrome and IE9 are similar (though IE9 uses more Aero elements and has a more compressed interface, I haven't really played around with it that much) but are each different in their own rights.
http://i.min.us/jmmLhg.jpg
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and here is firefox 4 on windows xp, thats as how it came.
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Yes typing a search query into the address bar searches the web

Note that Firefox 4 allows you to put your bookmark toolbar in the title bar next to your tabs, and resizes as you open more tabs
Edited by Paper, Mar 25 2011, 08:51 PM.
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