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Did Man and Dinosaurs coexist?
Topic Started: Dec 18 2005, 08:26 PM (1,183 Views)
Curry
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HA, you guys think that the dinosaurs were wiped out 65 million years ago when just a few thousand years ago your ancestors were riding them. Ahh the flaws of carbon dating. Bet you guys didn’t know that they found a sandal print and carbon dated it at 250 million years ago, so much for your fossils. Dinosaurs and man coexisted up until maybe the 18th century, and may still today, deep in the African jungles there lives a creature called Mokele Mbembe (“the one who stops the flow of rivers”), it is described as a large sauropod dinosaur commonly sighted in lakes and rivers going for a casual swim. In an Incan ruin in 1944 scientists discovered figurines dating back to 800 BC that depicted what are clearly dinosaurs, the first dinosaur fossils were not even studied until the late 1800s AD! Also found has been pottery, blankets, cave drawings, and mosaics depicting what are unmistakably dinosaurs, and not dinosaur bones but dinosaurs with all their flesh attached, a pretty big feat for primitives without any knowledge of fossilized remains. And than my favorite piece of evidence, the Ishtar Gate, the Ishtar Gate was a huge building with carvings of different animals. The Gate was unearthed in 1902 and dates back to 600 BC in Babylon, during the days of Nebby (Nebuchadnezzar). Most of the animals were identified, all but one, a dragon, or as I like to call it a Dinosaur. Nebby kept his dragon in the temple of one of his gods so that people could worship it as a god, Daniel (the one from the Lions Den) had a bone to pick with Nebby’s god. Daniel was famous for making fun of the pagans because their gods were statues, so Nebby figured that Daniel couldn’t say that his gods weren’t real if he had the god in the temple, Daniel, knowing this beast was simply a captured dinosaur slayed the proverbial dragon. I love the Ishtar Gate, I just took a sh*t on Darwin’s head using it, awesome! Guess where else the dinosaurs are still alive, the Bible, yeah that’s right, the Bible, now while you have every right to discount all the religious stuff therein you cannot deny that the Bible is a useful historical tool.

“Look at the behemoth... which feeds on grass like an ox... his tail sways like a cedar; the sinews of his thighs are close-knit. His bones are tubes of bronze, his limbs like rods of iron... Under the lotus plants he lies, hidden among the reeds in the marsh.” Job 40 13-21

Sure I guess if you want to be a prick you can say that the animal described could be an elephant or Hippo but I say it sounds suspiciously like an Apatosaurus or Brachiosaur. And then in chapter 41 it gets really good when the Leviathan or Sea Monster is discussed.

“Can you draw out Leviathan with a hook, or snare his tongue with a line which you lower? Can you put a reed through his nose… will your companions make a banquet of him? Remember the battle- never do it again! Indeed any hope of overcoming him is false… No one is so fierce that he would dare stir him up.” Job 41 1-10

No if you want to call it a whale than you go ahead but I call it something bigger, I call it evidence of plesiosaurs and other undersea dinos. Last time I checked whales could be hunted and have been for ages.

Posted Image The dragon of the Ishtar Gate…

Posted Image An ancient Mesopotamian seal dating back to 3300 BC showing Sauropod dinosaurs, at right is a modern depiction for comparison.

Either Dinosaurs and man coexisted or we’re not giving our ancient paleontologists (who didn’t exist) their due credit. Face it, dinosaurs and man did and possibly still do live at the same time. Take all the Sea Serpent and sea monster sightings of the early colonists, Massachusetts bay was flipping terrorized by constant sightings of a beast that was sometimes 200 feet long. Native cultures world wide tell stories of huge serpentine or plesiosaur like creatures and Sauropod like dinosaurs, DRAGONS, for God’s sake man, they had Dragons! And even though most dragon legends most likely came from stories of huge reticulated pythons in India (sometimes 30 or 40 feet long, eventually exaggerated to be 100 feet) and another part of it was that whole Devil being dragon serpent thing but all in all some of it came from real sightings of something. Pterosaur? I highly recommend that if Sea Serpents are what get you

going you read In the Wake of the Sea Serpents by Bernard Heuvelmans, I must have checked that out of my local library five or six times. So Mr. Darwin, may you rot in hell, and your supporters need to find a new hobby, because spreading your propaganda throughout our schools isn’t going to work, I say give the kids evolution and creationism and let them decide, it is, after all, their life choice to make. Oh and for all you queers crying cause this wasn’t funny, screw you I can do what I want, and I just made a very important opinion I have known so kiss my hairy not evolved from monkey’s ass, ya heard.


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I think the only real evidence of what your friend is trying to prove are the artifacts and ruins that have the carvings of dinosaurs. All of the parts where he says, "you may think it is that, but its not," are all opinion in my eyes. Its a very good point though, and that would be quite something to know that dinosaurs lived up to much later than we expected.
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I dont think that we coexisted with them, I cant really back any facts up atm, but later I'll think of some and post them..
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HA, you guys think that the dinosaurs were wiped out 65 million years ago when just a few thousand years ago your ancestors were riding them. Ahh the flaws of carbon dating. Bet you guys didn’t know that they found a sandal print and carbon dated it at 250 million years ago, so much for your fossils.

Carbon-14 has far too short a half-life to be used to date dinosaurs. Potassium-argon dating is used for this purpose. Your friend started off his argument with incorrect information, very reassuring.

I had a long response typed out to all of this before I realized how stupid it was. Tell your friend he is an idiot and knows nothing about biology, not to mention he has no common sense.
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Dec 19 2005, 03:52 AM
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HA, you guys think that the dinosaurs were wiped out 65 million years ago when just a few thousand years ago your ancestors were riding them. Ahh the flaws of carbon dating. Bet you guys didn’t know that they found a sandal print and carbon dated it at 250 million years ago, so much for your fossils.

Carbon-14 has far too short a half-life to be used to date dinosaurs. Potassium-argon dating is used for this purpose. Your friend started off his argument with incorrect information, very reassuring.

I had a long response typed out to all of this before I realized how stupid it was. Tell your friend he is an idiot and knows nothing about biology, not to mention he has no common sense.

^^^^^^^^^^ What Glitch said
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Dec 19 2005, 03:52 AM
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HA, you guys think that the dinosaurs were wiped out 65 million years ago when just a few thousand years ago your ancestors were riding them. Ahh the flaws of carbon dating. Bet you guys didn’t know that they found a sandal print and carbon dated it at 250 million years ago, so much for your fossils.

Carbon-14 has far too short a half-life to be used to date dinosaurs. Potassium-argon dating is used for this purpose. Your friend started off his argument with incorrect information, very reassuring.

I had a long response typed out to all of this before I realized how stupid it was. Tell your friend he is an idiot and knows nothing about biology, not to mention he has no common sense.

Quite a coincidence there with your signature.
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I don't believe it.
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Dec 19 2005, 05:21 AM
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Dec 19 2005, 03:52 AM
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HA, you guys think that the dinosaurs were wiped out 65 million years ago when just a few thousand years ago your ancestors were riding them. Ahh the flaws of carbon dating. Bet you guys didn’t know that they found a sandal print and carbon dated it at 250 million years ago, so much for your fossils.

Carbon-14 has far too short a half-life to be used to date dinosaurs. Potassium-argon dating is used for this purpose. Your friend started off his argument with incorrect information, very reassuring.

I had a long response typed out to all of this before I realized how stupid it was. Tell your friend he is an idiot and knows nothing about biology, not to mention he has no common sense.

Quite a coincidence there with your signature.

1. Thats a joke.
2. He didnt make it, seeing as it says - Tina Fey, co-anchor on Saturday Night Live's "Weekend Update"


I believe your friend is pretty much off his rocker, Vulcan.
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Ahh the flaws of carbon dating. Bet you guys didn’t know that they found a sandal print and carbon dated it at 250 million years ago, so much for your fossils.


Doesn't that contradict itself? If carbon dating is so flawed (which I know it is when going back far into the past) why is he stating an exact age?
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No, he's saying that's the reason why carbon-dating is flawed. They dated a sandal print, way before humans walked on the Earth.
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So Mr. Darwin, may you rot in hell, and your supporters need to find a new hobby, because spreading your propaganda throughout our schools isn’t going to work, I say give the kids evolution and creationism and let them decide, it is, after all, their life choice to make.

Quoted for truth.

NOT.

This "friend" you have is obviously extremely biased on this subject, so there's really no reason to believe any of the stuff he's spewing. When you have biased information you don't get all the facts, and therefore you can't draw any conclusions. Even if this guy wasn't obviously an idiot, I still would hesitate to believe most of this because he refuses to take into account both sides of the issue.

In response to my earlier quote, Darwinism is an extremely well-tested theory and there's no reason why it shouldn't be tought in schools. Creationism, on the other hand, is religion and should be kept out. But lets not turn this into a christianity debate.
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I don't think they ever lived together because if they did wouldn't the dinosaurs eat all the people???
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Dec 20 2005, 07:06 PM
No, he's saying that's the reason why carbon-dating is flawed. They dated a sandal print, way before humans walked on the Earth.

1. You can't carbon date a scandal print. You carbon date organic materials, not imprints in solidified sediment.

2. You can't carbon date something that's 250 million years old. Carbon-14 has a half-life of 5,700 years. If you dated a sample that's 250 million years old that would mean 44,000 half-lives of carbon has passed, that means 1/2^44,000 of the sample remains, which basically means none of it remains. They would probably use Uranium-238 dating for a sample so old.
Tell your friend to learn some basic chemistry before talking about something like this again.
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Dinosaurs would've eaten us for dinner.
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That's what I thought and plus science says that the dinos only existed durring the Mesozoic Era and the first human like thing was in the Cenizoic Era
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