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Topic Started: Sep 25 2014, 05:35 PM (5,608 Views)
Nicolas
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myHogwarts
Sep 26 2014, 09:09 AM
When creating a new forum, the section to add/display rules seems to have disappeared? I can only edit them for the forums that already have them.
This has always been the case, and has been mentioned to our developer in the past.
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Nicolas
Sep 26 2014, 09:11 AM
myHogwarts
Sep 26 2014, 09:09 AM
When creating a new forum, the section to add/display rules seems to have disappeared? I can only edit them for the forums that already have them.
This has always been the case, and has been mentioned to our developer in the past.
Always? I'm sure I was able to do it before this update and the addition of the custom topic options, and I haven't seen anyone else in this topic mention it?
Edited by myHogwarts, Sep 26 2014, 09:19 AM.
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Nicolas
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myHogwarts
Sep 26 2014, 09:18 AM
Nicolas
Sep 26 2014, 09:11 AM
myHogwarts
Sep 26 2014, 09:09 AM
When creating a new forum, the section to add/display rules seems to have disappeared? I can only edit them for the forums that already have them.
This has always been the case, and has been mentioned to our developer in the past.
Always? I'm sure I was able to do it before this update and the addition of the custom topic options, and I haven't seen anyone else in this topic mention it?
Yes, always. You always had to create a forum before you could add/edit forum rules when you edit the forum.
Nobody else has mentioned it in this topic because it has nothing to do with this update.
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I see, thank you. Sorry for the confusion.
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Nicolas
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No problem - it's definitely something we'd like to see fixed, though - I'll make sure there's a current bug report for it. :)
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I also found that when changing your boards layout at the bottom within a topic or subforum, it says "Not Found". Don't know if it's connected to the update or not.
Edited by extraordinary, Sep 26 2014, 10:24 AM.
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Ben
Sep 25 2014, 11:29 PM
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Sep 25 2014, 11:11 PM
Can the multi-log in be enabled for specific groups or users?
No.

I understand why people are requesting the ability to restrict the multi-login feature. Consider, however, how restricting this feature on a group/permission basis might work. What if a user has two accounts, one that is in a group that is allowed to use this feature (CanMulti) and one that is in a group that can't (NoMulti). If the user is logged in as NoMulti, they wouldn't be able to log in as CanMulti—but if they happen to log in as CanMulti first, they would be able to log in as NoMulti. But then … would they be allowed to switch accounts once they have switched to the NoMulti profile? ???

You must keep in mind that multi-login does not mean linked logins. The board doesn’t know which accounts are associated with which individual(s). (Indeed, one situation where multi-login would be useful is for a site that has an official “board admin” account shared between several users.) You can log into any other additional account on the board—provided you know the password. That’s it. There is no other magic here. So that’s why restricting the feature on a group or permission basis won’t make sense.
`Moderator Abilities` and `Special Abilities`. Although this might be the best place, it is enough to give the ability to multi-login just to few members. The option:

"Allow users in this group (OR: allow this user) to use the multi-login (if the global option is disabled)?"

would be enough.

With it only selected members would be able to multi-login, and this way we would allow to use this feature even to people that normally could not to use it due to the usergroup they belong.
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extraordinary
Sep 26 2014, 10:23 AM
I also found that when changing your boards layout at the bottom within a topic or subforum, it says "Not Found". Don't know if it's connected to the update or not.
Not connected to this update - connected to a security fix for the theme changer that happened a while back.
Nemomon
Sep 26 2014, 11:23 AM
"Allow users in this group (OR: allow this user) to use the multi-login (if the global option is disabled)?"

would be enough.

With it only selected members would be able to multi-login, and this way we would allow to use this feature even to people that normally could not to use it due to the usergroup they belong.
Nemo: I fear you've missed Ben's point - as has 1days.
If it were a per-group option it'd be a broken feature pretty quickly.
Suppose your "staff" group can use it but your member group cannot.
Now suppose your staff member switches to an account in the member group to test something. They are now in a group that cannot use multi-login. They must sign out and sign back in as the "staff" user to get back to their old account.
It doesn't make sense.
Edited by Nicolas, Sep 26 2014, 11:31 AM.
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At this moment, I have not logged onto my ZB Forum.
However, I did check to the ZB Forum's Directory Listings.
They still need updating.
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Nicolas
Sep 26 2014, 11:28 AM
extraordinary
Sep 26 2014, 10:23 AM
I also found that when changing your boards layout at the bottom within a topic or subforum, it says "Not Found". Don't know if it's connected to the update or not.
Not connected to this update - connected to a security fix for the theme changer that happened a while back.
Nemomon
Sep 26 2014, 11:23 AM
"Allow users in this group (OR: allow this user) to use the multi-login (if the global option is disabled)?"

would be enough.

With it only selected members would be able to multi-login, and this way we would allow to use this feature even to people that normally could not to use it due to the usergroup they belong.
Nemo: I fear you've missed Ben's point - as has 1days.
If it were a per-group option it'd be a broken feature pretty quickly.
Suppose your "staff" group can use it but your member group cannot.
Now suppose your staff member switches to an account in the member group to test something. They are now in a group that cannot use multi-login. They must sign out and sign back in as the "staff" user to get back to their old account.
It doesn't make sense.
I agree with You, but with one exception.

I think, based on my own experience, that if Staff would want to test something using a non-Staff account, he already would give that non-Staff account necessary permissions.

I suggested something like this:

- Global option (the current one) = everybody freely can use the multi-login
- usergroup option to use it (if the global is disabled)
- Single-member option to use it (if the global is disabled)

My Staff of course would use a Test account that can use the multi-login. I think every Administrator would enable this option to accounts their Moderators told them to enable to. Unless they would want to register a fresh new one, but there's no reason to register a new account of they could use the old one (if of course Admins could allow to use the multi-login just to specific users and groups).
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Nemomon
Sep 26 2014, 11:48 AM
- Global option (the current one) = everybody freely can use the multi-login
- usergroup option to use it (if the global is disabled)
- Single-member option to use it (if the global is disabled)
Nemo, this is how you would like every feature. :tut:
Global, per-group, and per-user. :facepalm:
The fact of the matter is if you want something that finely tuned for everything a free forum host probably isn't the direction you should be taking. We're all about having powerful and useful features that are easy to use and not confusing for members. Even how permission masks works gets us scores of tickets - because of mask overrides, and joinable groups, and how masks stack: and this is a fairly simple concept. Now imagine if every feature had three places where it could be enabled and disabled.

Your best option for what you want to do is a third party code. Have the feature enabled globally, and hide it for all but certain group IDs and other user IDs (that would be the testing accounts outside of the staff group). Or just sign out and back in - or use an existing "switch user" code and limit which groups/users it runs for. Lots of options that don't add unnecessary complexity for the bulk of our users.

Some features being a per-group option makes sense and I support. This isn't one of them because of how it works. Adding three levels of granularity to this (or every other feature you want that much control over) just is not realistic for having a software which is easily used by most users. :)
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Nemomon
Sep 26 2014, 11:48 AM
Nicolas
Sep 26 2014, 11:28 AM
extraordinary
Sep 26 2014, 10:23 AM
I also found that when changing your boards layout at the bottom within a topic or subforum, it says "Not Found". Don't know if it's connected to the update or not.
Not connected to this update - connected to a security fix for the theme changer that happened a while back.
Nemomon
Sep 26 2014, 11:23 AM
"Allow users in this group (OR: allow this user) to use the multi-login (if the global option is disabled)?"

would be enough.

With it only selected members would be able to multi-login, and this way we would allow to use this feature even to people that normally could not to use it due to the usergroup they belong.
Nemo: I fear you've missed Ben's point - as has 1days.
If it were a per-group option it'd be a broken feature pretty quickly.
Suppose your "staff" group can use it but your member group cannot.
Now suppose your staff member switches to an account in the member group to test something. They are now in a group that cannot use multi-login. They must sign out and sign back in as the "staff" user to get back to their old account.
It doesn't make sense.
I agree with You, but with one exception.

I think, based on my own experience, that if Staff would want to test something using a non-Staff account, he already would give that non-Staff account necessary permissions.

I suggested something like this:

- Global option (the current one) = everybody freely can use the multi-login
- usergroup option to use it (if the global is disabled)
- Single-member option to use it (if the global is disabled)

My Staff of course would use a Test account that can use the multi-login. I think every Administrator would enable this option to accounts their Moderators told them to enable to. Unless they would want to register a fresh new one, but there's no reason to register a new account of they could use the old one (if of course Admins could allow to use the multi-login just to specific users and groups).
You're still not getting it.

As Ben said, what if you switch to an account and can't switch back due to permission settings?
Groups won't work, member specific maybe, but not groups/
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Nicolas
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Kankuro
Sep 26 2014, 11:57 AM
You're still not getting it.

As Ben said, what if you switch to an account and can't switch back due to permission settings?
Groups won't work, member specific maybe, but not groups/
No, he got it. :) He was saying he'd enable it for his staff group and then enable it on a per-user level for the accounts they would test with.

That level of granularity, however, just isn't realistic.
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Nicolas
Sep 26 2014, 11:59 AM
Kankuro
Sep 26 2014, 11:57 AM
You're still not getting it.

As Ben said, what if you switch to an account and can't switch back due to permission settings?
Groups won't work, member specific maybe, but not groups/
No, he got it. :) He was saying he'd enable it for his staff group and then enable it on a per-user level for the accounts they would test with.

That level of granularity, however, just isn't realistic.
Ferby said he may attempt to make a code for this. However I'm sure there are bigger and more important matters to attend to for staff.
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Nicolas
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Like I said to Nemo, a code is definitely the best recourse here - it won't be that difficult to write a script to hide the link for all but certain groups/members - so I'd encourage Ferby to do that. :)
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