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Can God create a rock bigger than He can lift?
Topic Started: Jan 23 2006, 11:07 PM (2,036 Views)
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If 'God' can create anything and do anything, can He create a rock that He cannot lift? Since He can create anything, He should be able to create a rock He cannot lift, but since He can do anything, then He should be able to lift it, but then it wouldn't be called a rock that He couldn't lift that he created.

Actually, this is getting myself confused...
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First off, it is flawed logic to think "God can do anything." That statement is taken WAY out of context. For instance...can God sin? Can God cease to exsist? If you are a Christian, the obvious answer to those two questions is no. Therefore thinking he can do anything is wrong. So no, I don't think he can make a rock so big he cannot move it.
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God cannot sin because if, for example, God commits murder, the murder would not become a sin anymore, and would become godly. And any being as powerful as God can easily destroy themselves.

And if the answer to that question is no, then he cannot create the rock therefore he is not omnipotent.
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Who knows. (and frankly, who cares? why does it matter? its just a riddle constructed to attempt to prove what it can not)

there are a lot of things i can not understand that God can. otherwise, he would not be God, i would.

i fail to understand how God is ever-present. i fail to comprehend how he is infinite, and what the beginning actually was, if he has been here since the beginning, when there really was no beginning to begin with. i fail to understand how God can tell the future, yet live in the present.

there are many things that dont make sense to us as humans. regardless of what we like to believe, we are not all-knowing nor can our minds comprehend everything there is to know.
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Jan 23 2006, 10:15 PM
God cannot sin because if, for example, God commits murder, the murder would not become a sin anymore, and would become godly. And any being as powerful as God can easily destroy themselves.

And if the answer to that question is no, then he cannot create the rock therefore he is not omnipotent.

The Christian God cannot destroy himself.

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Revelation 1:8
 

"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty."

Hebrews 13:8
 

Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever.

Genesis 21:33
 

Abraham planted a tamarisk tree in Beersheba, and there he called upon the name of the LORD, the Eternal God.

Isaiah 26:4
 
Trust in the LORD forever, for the LORD, the LORD, is the Rock eternal.

119:89
 
Your word, O LORD, is eternal; it stands firm in the heavens.

Daniel 4:34
 
At the end of that time, I, Nebuchadnezzar, raised my eyes toward heaven, and my sanity was restored. Then I praised the Most High; I honored and glorified him who lives forever. His dominion is an eternal dominion; his kingdom endures from generation to generation.

Romans 16:26
 
But now revealed and made known through the prophetic writings by the command of the eternal God, so that all nations might believe and obey him—

2 Corinthians 4:18
 
So we fix our eyes not on what is seen, but on what is unseen. For what is seen is temporary, but what is unseen is eternal.

1 Timothy 1:17
 
Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory for ever and ever. Amen.

Hebrews 9:14
 
How much more, then, will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself unblemished to God

If you don't think that proves his eternal and everlasting nature, I am not quite sure what to say. It is scripturally supported that the Christian God will forever reign, thus he could and would not ever cease to exsist.
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Ross
Jan 23 2006, 10:32 PM
The Christian God cannot destroy himself.

If you don't think that proves his eternal and everlasting nature, I am not quite sure what to say. It is scripturally supported that the Christian God will forever reign, thus he could and would not ever cease to exsist.

So you mean to tell me that God is limited by what he said in the Scripture? That he is powerless to do anything outside of the bounds of the Bible? If you think that a supernatural all-powerful being is limited by what some puny human transcribed two thousand years ago, I am not quite sure what to say.
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Jan 23 2006, 10:37 PM
So you mean to tell me that God is limited by what he said in the Scripture? That he is powerless to do anything outside of the bounds of the Bible? If you think that a supernatural all-powerful being is limited by what some puny human transcribed two thousand years ago, I am not quite sure what to say.

These words of a puny man are scripturally supported themselves.
2 Timothy 3:16
 

All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness

The Bible is the core of our beliefs, therefore yes I believe in all scripture. Those who wrote the Bible were used as vessels for God to deliver his message.
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Jan 23 2006, 10:41 PM
These words of a puny man are scripturally supported themselves.
2 Timothy 3:16
 

All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness

The Bible is the core of our beliefs, therefore yes I believe in all scripture. Those who wrote the Bible were used as vessels for God to deliver his message.

Ross, Ross... tisk tisk tisk. Look what organized religion has done to you, man. Ask yourself: do you worship God or the Bible? If you truly worship God as the Creator, an omnipotent being, then you would not doubt the fact that, since there are no limits to God's power, he would be able to destroy himself. Even if the Bible were the "words of God", they could've easily been distorted/misunderstood/mistranslated. Humans are fickle and imperfect, God is absolute. Why do you insist upon putting the work of a human before the logic of God?
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Jan 23 2006, 10:46 PM
Ross
Jan 23 2006, 10:41 PM
These words of a puny man are scripturally supported themselves.
2 Timothy 3:16
 

All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness

The Bible is the core of our beliefs, therefore yes I believe in all scripture. Those who wrote the Bible were used as vessels for God to deliver his message.

Ross, Ross... tisk tisk tisk. Look what organized religion has done to you, man. Ask yourself: do you worship God or the Bible? If you truly worship God as the Creator, an omnipotent being, then you would not doubt the fact that, since there are no limits to God's power, he would be able to destroy himself. Even if the Bible were the "words of God", they could've easily been distorted/misunderstood/mistranslated. Humans are fickle and imperfect, God is absolute. Why do you insist upon putting the work of a human before the logic of God?

:ermm: Glitch, I'm not stating that I hold the Bible OVER God. No. However seeing as the Bible is the direct word of God, of course I view it on a high level. That's like saying, "Why do you hold the words of your Father, over your Father?" And I guess faith is where I get my belief that the Bible is still accurate. Then again, I assume you haven't read that book I've suggested to you many times. It has plenty of scientific evidence for the Bible. But I doubt you'll ever take the time to even scim that.
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Ross. You're in a bit of a jam here. Saying you're not worshipping a bible but saying God himself HAS to obey the bible because it's his words... God can't destroy himself? Does that mean he can't do anything? Uh oh... Rossy made a boo-boo.
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Jan 23 2006, 10:54 PM
Ross. You're in a bit of a jam here. Saying you're not worshipping a bible but saying God himself HAS to obey the bible because it's his words... God can't destroy himself? Does that mean he can't do anything? Uh oh... Rossy made a boo-boo.

Actually yes I did state that I don't think he can "do anything." Then again, why the heck would God have any remote desire to waste his time making a rock so big he can't lift it. Now if you want to talk about a non-Christian God, go for it. I'm sure the debate would get more interesting. Sorry for veering off subject and bringing the Christian God into it, but that is the stance I come from.
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In my eyes God ranges from any God. No matter what belief system you have Ross, talking about any God from your stand point instantly becomes Jehova.

But look, I once asked my dad, "What if God created a building not even he could break", and he responded: "There is no building God can't break"; And yes Ross, he's a Christian. That means he can't do everything. Uh Oh. Another boo-boo.
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Jan 23 2006, 07:54 PM
Ross. You're in a bit of a jam here. Saying you're not worshipping a bible but saying God himself HAS to obey the bible because it's his words... God can't destroy himself? Does that mean he can't do anything? Uh oh... Rossy made a boo-boo.

Ross isn't in a jam, but you're in Brain Juice, and so maybe you should start showing some. All I ever see you do is just chime in to mimmick whatever it is that Glitch or Insomniak are saying and Ross has done an excellent job of refuting that. They on the other hand, are performing superbly as ordinary brick walls.

God does not have to do anything. God said that he would not destroy Himself and God said that he would never lie to us and God has worked to prove and confirm that within our lives by the acts of the Holy Spirit. It is perfectly fine for us to assume that God will not suddenly self-destruct Himself and the rest of the universe with Him because He said in His word that He would reign for all eternity and His word has been proven to be true on countless occasions within our own lives.

Understand? :stupid:
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seeing as God stated he would be eternal in the verses Ross stated above, and seeing as the Bible is
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God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness

meaning God inspired and concured with every statement in the Bible, and seeing as God also promised that he does not lie in titus 1:2, among many other places.
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a faith and knowledge resting on the hope of eternal life, which God, who does not lie, promised before the beginning of time,

so no, Ross is not saying he holds the Bible over God. He is saying he hold's God's statements in the Bible to be true. God speaks to us through the Bible. And since he can not lie, and since he stated he was eternal many times, God can not and will not in fact eliminate himself.

there's your logic.
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Jan 23 2006, 10:59 PM
In my eyes God ranges from any God. No matter what belief system you have Ross, talking about any God from your stand point instantly becomes Jehova.

But look, I once asked my dad, "What if God created a building not even he could break", and he responded: "There is no building God can't break"; And yes Ross, he's a Christian. That means he can't do everything. Uh Oh. Another boo-boo.

How many times do I have to say it O_o

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First off, it is flawed logic to think "God can do anything." That statement is taken WAY out of context. For instance...can God sin? Can God cease to exsist? If you are a Christian, the obvious answer to those two questions is no. Therefore thinking he can do anything is wrong. So no, I don't think he can make a rock so big he cannot move it.

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Actually yes I did state that I don't think he can "do anything."

Like seriously, are you even reading? I doubt it...
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