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Can God create a rock bigger than He can lift?
Topic Started: Jan 23 2006, 11:07 PM (2,042 Views)
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God can sin, he could choose to not exist, but he doesnt. He would never as he is perfect, he can do anything, so he could make a rock that he couldnt lift, but then he ould choose to lift it.

I know wha you mean...
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Glitch
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Spence
Jan 24 2006, 11:00 PM
Maybe not for you, Mr. Egocentric, but for human beings maybe it does.

So you acknowledge the fact that I am the Supreme Being!

Well done, Spence. This is your first step to redemption. PM me if you want to join the United Church of Glitch ;)
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Benjamin
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Never question the might and power of God.
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.Seraph
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And why's that Benjamin? Since people like Glitch are going to hell anyway, why not? Why not question the power of something that is likely to not exist? It's like goin, "Smite me almighty bigfoot, I'm here in the open for you".
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.Seraph
Jan 25 2006, 06:48 PM
Why not question the power of something that is likely to not exist?

You think God is likely to not exist, yet I haven't seen you give a decent explanation of why he is likely not to exist.

Oh, I'm sorry. You think he doesn't exist simply because he didn't answer your prayers. :ermm:
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Does he answer yours? If God exists why do people who don't waste their money on televangelists become rich, while the TV preachers get rich off your money, whilst at the same time telling you you'll get rich off donations, and you stay poor? God doesn't exist. And if he does, he really does nothing for us.
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.Seraph
Jan 25 2006, 07:34 PM
Does he answer yours? If God exists why do people who don't waste their money on televangelists become rich, while the TV preachers get rich off your money, whilst at the same time telling you you'll get rich off donations, and you stay poor? God doesn't exist. And if he does, he really does nothing for us.

Yes he did. One night a while ago, I was not getting the hang of marching in a drum & bugle corps. One night I had asked him to give me strength to make it through the summer without fainting. I didn't. I believe it is God who gave me the strength, and the determination to make it.

First of all, saying some people get rich, while others don't is not a good reason why God doesn't exist. Let me explain (Courtesy of a friend of mine):

You are on the sideline of your kids little league football game.
Your kid is getting the crap knocked out of him.
You want to go out there and knock down every son of a buck in the other team.
You want to pave the path for little boy to make a touchdown, more than one.
You want to step in, with your huge stature and make it all good for the kid.
You want to see him succeed and feel good about himself.
You want to see him confront the adversity in front of him and succeed.
You want to see him grow and become a better man even in the face of failure.
You realize that he has to stand against the wind on his own two legs.
You realize that whenever he makes the touchdown on his own, he wins.
You realize this is what free will is all about.
You understand that the essence of humanity is about free will.
You understand that you do not create the situations your boy must deal with.
You sigh, and let go, and step back, allowing nature to run it's course.
You grieve when nature dictates a tragic outcome, un-preventable.

God is like the father.
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Remzo
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Vulcan
Jan 25 2006, 04:40 PM
.Seraph
Jan 25 2006, 07:34 PM
Does he answer yours? If God exists why do people who don't waste their money on televangelists become rich, while the TV preachers get rich off your money, whilst at the same time telling you you'll get rich off donations, and you stay poor? God doesn't exist. And if he does, he really does nothing for us.

You are on the sideline of your kids little league football game.
Your kid is getting the crap knocked out of him.
You want to go out there and knock down every son of a buck in the other team.
You want to pave the path for little boy to make a touchdown, more than one.
You want to step in, with your huge stature and make it all good for the kid.
You want to see him succeed and feel good about himself.
You want to see him confront the adversity in front of him and succeed.
You want to see him grow and become a better man even in the face of failure.
You realize that he has to stand against the wind on his own two legs.
You realize that whenever he makes the touchdown on his own, he wins.
You realize this is what free will is all about.
You understand that the essence of humanity is about free will.
You understand that you do not create the situations your boy must deal with.
You sigh, and let go, and step back, allowing nature to run it's course.
You grieve when nature dictates a tragic outcome, un-preventable.

God is like the father.

What about the other kids team, god doesnt excist for them? Basically, if God is on everywon's side, then he is never on his own side..
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Remzo
Jan 25 2006, 07:49 PM
Vulcan
Jan 25 2006, 04:40 PM
.Seraph
Jan 25 2006, 07:34 PM
Does he answer yours? If God exists why do people who don't waste their money on televangelists become rich, while the TV preachers get rich off your money, whilst at the same time telling you you'll get rich off donations, and you stay poor? God doesn't exist. And if he does, he really does nothing for us.

You are on the sideline of your kids little league football game.
Your kid is getting the crap knocked out of him.
You want to go out there and knock down every son of a buck in the other team.
You want to pave the path for little boy to make a touchdown, more than one.
You want to step in, with your huge stature and make it all good for the kid.
You want to see him succeed and feel good about himself.
You want to see him confront the adversity in front of him and succeed.
You want to see him grow and become a better man even in the face of failure.
You realize that he has to stand against the wind on his own two legs.
You realize that whenever he makes the touchdown on his own, he wins.
You realize this is what free will is all about.
You understand that the essence of humanity is about free will.
You understand that you do not create the situations your boy must deal with.
You sigh, and let go, and step back, allowing nature to run it's course.
You grieve when nature dictates a tragic outcome, un-preventable.

God is like the father.

What about the other kids team, god doesnt excist for them? Basically, if God is on everywon's side, then he is never on his own side..

You're looking too much into it, to realize the point.
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Vulcan
Jan 25 2006, 04:55 PM
Remzo
Jan 25 2006, 07:49 PM
Vulcan
Jan 25 2006, 04:40 PM
.Seraph
Jan 25 2006, 07:34 PM
Does he answer yours? If God exists why do people who don't waste their money on televangelists become rich, while the TV preachers get rich off your money, whilst at the same time telling you you'll get rich off donations, and you stay poor? God doesn't exist. And if he does, he really does nothing for us.

You are on the sideline of your kids little league football game.
Your kid is getting the crap knocked out of him.
You want to go out there and knock down every son of a buck in the other team.
You want to pave the path for little boy to make a touchdown, more than one.
You want to step in, with your huge stature and make it all good for the kid.
You want to see him succeed and feel good about himself.
You want to see him confront the adversity in front of him and succeed.
You want to see him grow and become a better man even in the face of failure.
You realize that he has to stand against the wind on his own two legs.
You realize that whenever he makes the touchdown on his own, he wins.
You realize this is what free will is all about.
You understand that the essence of humanity is about free will.
You understand that you do not create the situations your boy must deal with.
You sigh, and let go, and step back, allowing nature to run it's course.
You grieve when nature dictates a tragic outcome, un-preventable.

God is like the father.

What about the other kids team, god doesnt excist for them? Basically, if God is on everywon's side, then he is never on his own side..

You're looking too much into it, to realize the point.

Yeah, well I had only read the first few lines :haha: .

I thought it was eventually going to say how the kid won and bla bla..
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I don't actually see a point that makes sense. God can do everything supposedly, and should step in as a father to help his children.
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He cant, since he doenst exist.
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Remzo
Jan 25 2006, 04:49 PM
Vulcan
Jan 25 2006, 04:40 PM
.Seraph
Jan 25 2006, 07:34 PM
Does he answer yours? If God exists why do people who don't waste their money on televangelists become rich, while the TV preachers get rich off your money, whilst at the same time telling you you'll get rich off donations, and you stay poor? God doesn't exist. And if he does, he really does nothing for us.

You are on the sideline of your kids little league football game.
Your kid is getting the crap knocked out of him.
You want to go out there and knock down every son of a buck in the other team.
You want to pave the path for little boy to make a touchdown, more than one.
You want to step in, with your huge stature and make it all good for the kid.
You want to see him succeed and feel good about himself.
You want to see him confront the adversity in front of him and succeed.
You want to see him grow and become a better man even in the face of failure.
You realize that he has to stand against the wind on his own two legs.
You realize that whenever he makes the touchdown on his own, he wins.
You realize this is what free will is all about.
You understand that the essence of humanity is about free will.
You understand that you do not create the situations your boy must deal with.
You sigh, and let go, and step back, allowing nature to run it's course.
You grieve when nature dictates a tragic outcome, un-preventable.

God is like the father.

What about the other kids team, god doesnt excist for them? Basically, if God is on everywon's side, then he is never on his own side..

Sure. Ok. He answered your prayers. I find it that you just stepped up to do it and suceeded. You just look upon a fictional being for support anyway. Figures.
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Jan 25 2006, 07:28 PM
I don't actually see a point that makes sense. God can do everything supposedly, and should step in as a father to help his children.

he does, but he can not force anything upon anyone. he has given us all free will. he did not make mankind as his personal robots, he gave us all a choice. if he were to interfere so much so that all of the Christians were successful while everyone else is poor, it would defete the entire purpose of his creation.

besides, in order for one to grow up, one must first understand what it is like to be on bottom. what its like to be down in the count. all of us face a point in our lives when we are at an all-time low. in order to succeed, you must first know what it is like to be unsuccessful.

it is a concept that may be too complicated, but take this into consideration.

if you noticed that everyone who claimed to be a Christian was rich and happy while everyone who claimed to be an athiest, evolutionist, agnostic, whatever, was poor and sad, what would you choose, and for what purpose? you would choose an attempt at Christianity, thus throwing aside free choice and "becoming a Christian" for the pure sake of your well-being.

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God is like the father.


God is the father. :)

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He cant, since he doenst exist.


Thank you Mustard, I hold you in such high esteem now that you've established that :)

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God can do everything supposedly, and should step in as a father to help his children.


He does step in and help you through thick and thin. Obviously, you can just say "God, I want one million dollars" and get it, but you can depend on God to show you the way through prayer and petition.
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