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Can God create a rock bigger than He can lift?
Topic Started: Jan 23 2006, 11:07 PM (2,041 Views)
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Jan 25 2006, 10:04 PM
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God can do everything supposedly, and should step in as a father to help his children.


He does step in and help you through thick and thin. Obviously, you can just say "God, I want one million dollars" and get it, but you can depend on God to show you the way through prayer and petition.

Or you can wake up and realise you are your own person. I have went to MANY sports meet's/dances/raves.. Everything, almost all of the time I'm at these events I have a amazing time. So who helps me through thick and thin? I help myself, If I have a problem.. God isnt the one confronting the other person.. I am. If I have had a little too many drinks and have to walk home, Im not asking "God" for help.. I do it myself. When I die, you think I'm going to need his help? If there was a god, I would sh*t in a sock and smash him in the face with it.

You guys just need some fake **** to rely on, its like you cant live life unless you have somewon higher to look upto.. you guys are followers that need to be lead. Grow some damn self esteem and learn you can get through life without the help of a damn higher power.
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Jan 26 2006, 01:29 AM
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Jan 25 2006, 10:04 PM
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God can do everything supposedly, and should step in as a father to help his children.


He does step in and help you through thick and thin. Obviously, you can just say "God, I want one million dollars" and get it, but you can depend on God to show you the way through prayer and petition.

Or you can wake up and realise you are your own person. I have went to MANY sports meet's/dances/raves.. Everything, almost all of the time I'm at these events I have a amazing time. So who helps me through thick and thin? I help myself, If I have a problem.. God isnt the one confronting the other person.. I am. If I have had a little too many drinks and have to walk home, Im not asking "God" for help.. I do it myself. When I die, you think I'm going to need his help? If there was a god, I would sh*t in a sock and smash him in the face with it.

You guys just need some fake **** to rely on, its like you cant live life unless you have somewon higher to look upto.. you guys are followers that need to be lead. Grow some damn self esteem and learn you can get through life without the help of a damn higher power.

Who says I don't have self esteem? Who says I don't get myself through each day? The difference betweem you and I is that when my wife has cancer and I lose my job and my kid is in jail I have someone to comfort me. God gave us choice, so we are independant beings, and yes we are the ones 'confronting the other person'. But when a situation comes along that is too big for us to handle, we have someone to talk to rather than have a mental break down.
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Jan 25 2006, 09:12 PM
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Jan 25 2006, 04:49 PM
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Jan 25 2006, 04:40 PM
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Jan 25 2006, 07:34 PM
Does he answer yours? If God exists why do people who don't waste their money on televangelists become rich, while the TV preachers get rich off your money, whilst at the same time telling you you'll get rich off donations, and you stay poor? God doesn't exist. And if he does, he really does nothing for us.

You are on the sideline of your kids little league football game.
Your kid is getting the crap knocked out of him.
You want to go out there and knock down every son of a buck in the other team.
You want to pave the path for little boy to make a touchdown, more than one.
You want to step in, with your huge stature and make it all good for the kid.
You want to see him succeed and feel good about himself.
You want to see him confront the adversity in front of him and succeed.
You want to see him grow and become a better man even in the face of failure.
You realize that he has to stand against the wind on his own two legs.
You realize that whenever he makes the touchdown on his own, he wins.
You realize this is what free will is all about.
You understand that the essence of humanity is about free will.
You understand that you do not create the situations your boy must deal with.
You sigh, and let go, and step back, allowing nature to run it's course.
You grieve when nature dictates a tragic outcome, un-preventable.

God is like the father.

What about the other kids team, god doesnt excist for them? Basically, if God is on everywon's side, then he is never on his own side..

Sure. Ok. He answered your prayers. I find it that you just stepped up to do it and suceeded. You just look upon a fictional being for support anyway. Figures.

Yeah... I "stepped up to do it", when I couldn't do it the past practice...


...right. *-)
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Jan 25 2006, 04:49 PM
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Jan 25 2006, 04:40 PM
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Jan 25 2006, 07:34 PM
Does he answer yours? If God exists why do people who don't waste their money on televangelists become rich, while the TV preachers get rich off your money, whilst at the same time telling you you'll get rich off donations, and you stay poor? God doesn't exist. And if he does, he really does nothing for us.

You are on the sideline of your kids little league football game.
Your kid is getting the crap knocked out of him.
You want to go out there and knock down every son of a buck in the other team.
You want to pave the path for little boy to make a touchdown, more than one.
You want to step in, with your huge stature and make it all good for the kid.
You want to see him succeed and feel good about himself.
You want to see him confront the adversity in front of him and succeed.
You want to see him grow and become a better man even in the face of failure.
You realize that he has to stand against the wind on his own two legs.
You realize that whenever he makes the touchdown on his own, he wins.
You realize this is what free will is all about.
You understand that the essence of humanity is about free will.
You understand that you do not create the situations your boy must deal with.
You sigh, and let go, and step back, allowing nature to run it's course.
You grieve when nature dictates a tragic outcome, un-preventable.

God is like the father.

What about the other kids team, god doesnt excist for them? Basically, if God is on everywon's side, then he is never on his own side..

Sure. Ok. He answered your prayers. I find it that you just stepped up to do it and suceeded. You just look upon a fictional being for support anyway. Figures.

Yeah... I "stepped up to do it", when I couldn't do it the past practice...


...right. *-)

Humans can get better at things.. Thats why you practiced before, so you could do it then ;)
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Who says I don't have self esteem? Who says I don't get myself through each day? The difference betweem you and I is that when my wife has cancer and I lose my job and my kid is in jail I have someone to comfort me. God gave us choice, so we are independant beings, and yes we are the ones 'confronting the other person'. But when a situation comes along that is too big for us to handle, we have someone to talk to rather than have a mental break down.

Thats the thing.. I really dont need comforting, and If I do.. a girl works best, not god.
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Jan 23 2006, 11:10 PM
So your all-powerful God can't do everything like every televangelist wants me to think? Hmm.. Seems fishy. Why couldn't the most powerful being do everything? Answer me!

Dude, when the soldiers and stuff said to Jesus "If you are the true Son of God, then get down from the cross, then we will believe you!", if Jesus had come down, they still wouldn't have believed him, 'cause it wasn't them that was not believing it was Jesus, but the devil had put a kind of gard over their eyes so that they couldn't see that he really was the Son of God, and if I don't make sence, then oh well, but if you understand that, think about it.
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wow, thats hard to explain or figure out.
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Jan 23 2006, 11:10 PM
So your all-powerful God can't do everything like every televangelist wants me to think? Hmm.. Seems fishy. Why couldn't the most powerful being do everything? Answer me!

Dude, when the soldiers and stuff said to Jesus "If you are the true Son of God, then get down from the cross, then we will believe you!", if Jesus had come down, they still wouldn't have believed him, 'cause it wasn't them that was not believing it was Jesus, but the devil had put a kind of gard over their eyes so that they couldn't see that he really was the Son of God, and if I don't make sence, then oh well, but if you understand that, think about it.

...And I'm blind too right? 2000+ years of no signs, and just a book to rely on and us non-believers are blinded by satan? Right. I'm pretty sure if Jesus would have shot off the nails and a bright flash illuminated his body, they would have definitely thought differently about the son of God thing :huh: Another thing, Jesus couldn't get down from the cross either, as the bible pre-set his destiny. :|
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God can do everything supposedly, and should step in as a father to help his children.


He does step in and help you through thick and thin. Obviously, you can just say "God, I want one million dollars" and get it, but you can depend on God to show you the way through prayer and petition.

Or you can wake up and realise you are your own person. I have went to MANY sports meet's/dances/raves.. Everything, almost all of the time I'm at these events I have a amazing time. So who helps me through thick and thin? I help myself, If I have a problem.. God isnt the one confronting the other person.. I am. If I have had a little too many drinks and have to walk home, Im not asking "God" for help.. I do it myself. When I die, you think I'm going to need his help? If there was a god, I would sh*t in a sock and smash him in the face with it.

You guys just need some fake **** to rely on, its like you cant live life unless you have somewon higher to look upto.. you guys are followers that need to be lead. Grow some damn self esteem and learn you can get through life without the help of a damn higher power.

yes, you are so much stronger, smarter, and better than me because i believe that a supreme being created the world. this post alone pretty much gives all of your arguments discreditment.

i understand, you are too good for a God, you never need help, you can do it yourself. anyone who doesnt believe in an "all-me" philosophy is weak.

have you ever thought about it this way? is it easier to follow your parents or do it yourself? in my eyes, its much easier to do it my way. however, as ive grown older and matured, ive found that my parent's way was usually the smarter one. but it was so much easierto take my way.

the fact that i have accepted that im not all we humans are cut out to be makes me weak? do you realize what it takes to humble yourself enough to believe what Christians believe? ha, whatever. go through life depending on self and thinking you can do it all. ill be the "bigger man" and take my route.
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So your all-powerful God can't do everything like every televangelist wants me to think? Hmm.. Seems fishy. Why couldn't the most powerful being do everything? Answer me!

Dude, when the soldiers and stuff said to Jesus "If you are the true Son of God, then get down from the cross, then we will believe you!", if Jesus had come down, they still wouldn't have believed him, 'cause it wasn't them that was not believing it was Jesus, but the devil had put a kind of gard over their eyes so that they couldn't see that he really was the Son of God, and if I don't make sence, then oh well, but if you understand that, think about it.

Yes thats true, but I think also he did not come off the cross because it would defeat the purpose of faith.

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...And I'm blind too right? 2000+ years of no signs, and just a book to rely on and us non-believers are blinded by satan? Right. I'm pretty sure if Jesus would have shot off the nails and a bright flash illuminated his body, they would have definitely thought differently about the son of God thing em_huh.gif Another thing, Jesus couldn't get down from the cross either, as the bible pre-set his destiny. em_notamused.gif


Yes, you are blind to the truth. Who says there has been 2000+ years of no signs? Are you honestly telling me you have done any research what so ever in the matter that has brought you to the conclusion that there have been no signs? And no, Jesus was not pre-destin to die on the cross, because God gave him the choice.
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But he did what was right, and payed for our sins

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He could have got down if he wanted to, but he loved us soo much, that he wanted to die on the cross, to keep us from going to hell.
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But he did what was right, and payed for our sins

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Jesus couldn't down from the cross

He could have got down if he wanted to, but he loved us soo much, that he wanted to die on the cross, to keep us from going to hell.

But I'm still going to Hell, aren't I?
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Yes. Unless you accept a book that says there was a global flood, you're still going there. So am I apparently.
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Yes. Unless you accept a book that says there was a global flood, you're still going there. So am I apparently.

There has been a global flood, for there are 80,000 works in seventy-two languages about the Flood, and that there is global existence of massive amounts of sediment. Most of the Earth’s crust is covered with layer upon layer of sediment and evidence of strong sorting action produced by moving. Frequently the sediment bears strong evidence of having been laid under flood conditions.
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Jan 26 2006, 04:23 PM
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Yes. Unless you accept a book that says there was a global flood, you're still going there. So am I apparently.

There has been a global flood, for there are 80,000 works in seventy-two languages about the Flood, and that there is global existence of massive amounts of sediment. Most of the Earth’s crust is covered with layer upon layer of sediment and evidence of strong sorting action produced by moving. Frequently the sediment bears strong evidence of having been laid under flood conditions.

Good point, I've heard that before.
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Yes. Unless you accept a book that says there was a global flood, you're still going there. So am I apparently.

ever heard of the gilgamesh epic? it was written by the mesopatamians. it is a story that recounts a global flood that wiped out all but a few. it is in no way connected with the Bible or the Hebrews.

and you can believe that an explosion created this world but a global flood is completely absurd? doesnt make very much sense to me...

also, you dont accept the Bible in order to become a christian, you accept Christ. otherwise i would call myself a Biblian :)
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