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Can God create a rock bigger than He can lift?
Topic Started: Jan 23 2006, 11:07 PM (2,039 Views)
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107 million is miniscule compared to the 6.5 billion people in the world. Besides, like I said before, you underestimate the power of coincidence.


i still dont understand how some claim that living a life of faith is weak yet admit that they live a life of "coincidence".
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Jan 26 2006, 09:51 PM
i still dont understand how some claim that living a life of faith is weak yet admit that they live a life of "coincidence".

Did I ever say I based my beliefs around coincidence? No. I merely said that the fact that different religions around the world have stories of a flood is likely to be coincidence.

Besides, in my opinion, the power of coincidence, which is based on mathematical probability, is much greater than the power of this so-called "faith" of yours.
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Jan 26 2006, 07:49 PM
107 million is miniscule compared to the 6.5 billion people in the world. Besides, like I said before, you underestimate the power of coincidence.

Actually it is about 3.107 billion, which is about half. Also that is not including the people who aren't religious who do believe in a global flood, plus the many religions who believe in the flood who I did not mention. So there are still many people who do believe in a globabl flood, which means that you can't compare it to people believing the Earth is flat.

And I agree with Initial. I think faith is a better option than mathmatical probability. We all know how flawed that can be.
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Jan 26 2006, 08:55 PM
Besides, in my opinion, the power of coincidence, which is based on mathematical probability, is much greater than the power of this so-called "faith" of yours.

we're all entitled to our opinions..:)
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Jan 26 2006, 10:00 PM
Actually it is about 3.107 billion, which is about half. Also that is not including the people who aren't religious who do believe in a global flood, plus the many religions who believe in the flood who I did not mention. So there are still many people who do believe in a globabl flood, which means that you can't compare it to people believing the Earth is flat.

And I agree with Initial. I think faith is a better option than mathmatical probability. We all know how flawed that can be.

I can perfectly compare it to the world being flat, because, at the time of the 1500s, some people in the world knew the world was round while others believed the world was still flat. Pretty much the same scenario as today.

How is mathematical probability flawed? I'm not talking about putting one's whole beliefs behind mathematical probability, that's just stupid. I'm talking about understanding mathematical probability so you don't make statements like, "it's impossible for intelligent life to develop without a designer!" It's not impossible, just improbable. However, considering the size of our Universe, intelligent life still can and probably will develop randomly because of mathematical probability.

Besides, I think faith is flawed. Why do you value faith over math?
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Jan 26 2006, 08:16 PM
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Actually it is about 3.107 billion, which is about half.  Also that is not including the people who aren't religious who do believe in a global flood, plus the many religions who believe in the flood who I did not mention.  So there are still many people who do believe in a globabl flood, which means that you can't compare it to people believing the Earth is flat.

And I agree with Initial.  I think faith is a better option than mathmatical probability.  We all know how flawed that can be.

I can perfectly compare it to the world being flat, because, at the time of the 1500s, some people in the world knew the world was round while others believed the world was still flat. Pretty much the same scenario as today.

How is mathematical probability flawed? I'm not talking about putting one's whole beliefs behind mathematical probability, that's just stupid. I'm talking about understanding mathematical probability so you don't make statements like, "it's impossible for intelligent life to develop without a designer!" It's not impossible, just improbable. However, considering the size of our Universe, intelligent life still can and probably will develop randomly because of mathematical probability.

Besides, I think faith is flawed. Why do you value faith over math?

Right some did think it was flat and some didn't. However, it was then proved that the Earth was in fact round. At that point if you didn't think the Earth was round you are a complete fool.
Now, there has not been concrete evidence to prove the global flood. The only thing we can base the history off of is the Bible. I know you'll say something like "Well I don't think the Bible is accurate" or something like that. But it is the only historical artifact that we can base our ideas off of right now, and I choose to believe that it is true.
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How is mathematical probability flawed? I'm not talking about putting one's whole beliefs behind mathematical probability, that's just stupid. I'm talking about understanding mathematical probability so you don't make statements like, "it's impossible for intelligent life to develop without a designer!" It's not impossible, just improbable. However, considering the size of our Universe, intelligent life still can and probably will develop randomly because of mathematical probability.

i never said it was impossible. it could have happened, sure. thus "faith". i believe that my life is not a coincidence, nor any of ours.

however, i choose faith over mathmatical probability.
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Jan 26 2006, 08:16 PM
How is mathematical probability flawed? I'm not talking about putting one's whole beliefs behind mathematical probability, that's just stupid. I'm talking about understanding mathematical probability so you don't make statements like, "it's impossible for intelligent life to develop without a designer!" It's not impossible, just improbable. However, considering the size of our Universe, intelligent life still can and probably will develop randomly because of mathematical probability.

Besides, I think faith is flawed. Why do you value faith over math?

Okay, I thought you meant putting your beliefs on mathmatical probability, thanks for explaining.
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Besides, I think faith is flawed. Why do you value faith over math?


Well, math has never proven the things we place our faith in, as Christians, wrong.

And about this global flood business, Glitch you keep saying that it never happened. However we've had this discussion before, and you said that it may have happened, but it was due to the glaciers melting from the ice age. Now you seemed to have changed your mind, why?
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I know you'll say something like "Well I don't think the Bible is accurate" or something like that. But it is the only historical artifact that we can base our ideas off of right now, and I choose to believe that it is true.

No way, the bible isn;t the ONLY historical recording.
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Well as Vulcan said it has been in whatever many stories in whatever many languages.  How can you argue with that?

Big deal. The majority of the world thought the Earth was flat at one point. Does that make them automatically right?

Yeah. It just so happened that people that never came in contact with another have the same exact story.
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Jan 27 2006, 12:12 AM
Well, math has never proven the things we place our faith in, as Christians, wrong.

And about this global flood business, Glitch you keep saying that it never happened. However we've had this discussion before, and you said that it may have happened, but it was due to the glaciers melting from the ice age. Now you seemed to have changed your mind, why?

I said the sea levels rose due to the ice caps melting. I never said there was a global flood that covered the top of Mount Everest by 40 feet.

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Yeah. It just so happened that people that never came in contact with another have the same exact story.

Exact same story? Go ahead and actually read the texts. I assure you they will not be exactly the same.
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Jan 27 2006, 06:05 PM
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Well, math has never proven the things we place our faith in, as Christians, wrong.

And about this global flood business, Glitch you keep saying that it never happened.  However we've had this discussion before, and you said that it may have happened, but it was due to the glaciers melting from the ice age.  Now you seemed to have changed your mind, why?

I said the sea levels rose due to the ice caps melting. I never said there was a global flood that covered the top of Mount Everest by 40 feet.

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Yeah. It just so happened that people that never came in contact with another have the same exact story.

Exact same story? Go ahead and actually read the texts. I assure you they will not be exactly the same.

So I take it you've read all of them?

It's all about a God that is angered by man, and brings forth a global flood. He selects one family to be saved, in which they need to collect several animals in order to save the planet.


The only variables are the family's names, and the religion.
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Well, math has never proven the things we place our faith in, as Christians, wrong.

And about this global flood business, Glitch you keep saying that it never happened.  However we've had this discussion before, and you said that it may have happened, but it was due to the glaciers melting from the ice age.  Now you seemed to have changed your mind, why?

I said the sea levels rose due to the ice caps melting. I never said there was a global flood that covered the top of Mount Everest by 40 feet.

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Yeah. It just so happened that people that never came in contact with another have the same exact story.

Exact same story? Go ahead and actually read the texts. I assure you they will not be exactly the same.

it is improbable for them to be exactly the same. they were recounted by different people from different nations in different languages from different perspectives. if they were even remotely close it would have to be true or as much of a coincidence as the big bang itself. the fact that they tell almost the exact same story is undeniably curious.
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Jan 27 2006, 08:26 AM
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I know you'll say something like "Well I don't think the Bible is accurate" or something like that.  But it is the only historical artifact that we can base our ideas off of right now, and I choose to believe that it is true.

No way, the bible isn;t the ONLY historical recording.

What else is there from that time?
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