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The Law; Attempted Murder
Topic Started: Jan 24 2006, 02:31 PM (416 Views)
01dewi
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Why is there attempted murder?

Becasue in my opinion attempted murder is just as bad as murder. Becasue attempted murder means that you failed to kill someone, but the exact same thoughts that would be going through your mind if you did manage to kill him are going through your mind. Someone who has tried to kill is just as bad as someone who has.

What do you guys think?
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Shroud
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Well, imagine you're about to kill someone, then think "I'm not going to do this."

Do they deserve the same punishment?
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If there wasn't the emotional and financial problems caused when someone is murdered I'm sure both crimes would receive the same sentence.
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"Attempted murder" isn't the same as murder. For one thing, intent is very separate from actually killing a fellow human. Usually, it's just manslaughter without actually killing. Accidents caused by being under the influence of alcohol or drugs usually results in attempted murder.
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Jan 24 2006, 04:16 PM
"Attempted murder" isn't the same as murder. For one thing, intent is very separate from actually killing a fellow human. Usually, it's just manslaughter without actually killing. Accidents caused by being under the influence of alcohol or drugs usually results in attempted murder.

You've got it mixed up, man. Accidental killing or killing for self defense is manslaughter. Attempted murder is doing something with the intent to kill, but failing.
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MurtherX-ZNR
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If found guilty I believe they should receive the same punishment.

Within all this. How come we can take m16's to war and kill individuals that meant no harm, yet their relatives did; and get away with it?
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MurtherX
Jan 27 2006, 12:57 AM
If found guilty I believe they should receive the same punishment.

Within all this. How come we can take m16's to war and kill individuals that meant no harm, yet their relatives did; and get away with it?

Ever heard of war crimes?
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Scenario One:

A man holds a gun to anther man's head. He fires, but the safety was on. Whoops. The cops rush in, take him down, and arrest him for attempted murder.

Scenario Two:

A man holds a gun to another man's head. He fires, and a bullet flies into his head. The cops rush in, find a man standing over a dead body, and arrest him for murder.

Seems fishy, doesn't it? The intent was the same, and that is what matters.
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01dewi
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Finally, someone understands!

I've been trying to explain this to my parents, but they just won't listen.
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Prismatic
Jan 27 2006, 09:43 PM
Scenario One:

A man holds a gun to anther man's head. He fires, but the safety was on. Whoops. Thecopsrush in, take him down, and srrest him for attempted murder.

Scenario Two:

A man holds a gun to another man's head. He fires, and a bullet flies into his head. The copsrush in, find a man standing over a dead body, and arrest him for murder.

Seems fishy, doesn't it? The intent was the same, and that is what matters.

So if I think right now "I'm going to kill <name>" I should get sent down for attempted murder?

What about Nem/Ben's scenario, should he be sent down?
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Jan 27 2006, 09:43 PM
Scenario One:

A man holds a gun to anther man's head. He fires, but the safety was on. Whoops. Thecopsrush in, take him down, and srrest him for attempted murder.

Scenario Two:

A man holds a gun to another man's head. He fires, and a bullet flies into his head. The copsrush in, find a man standing over a dead body, and arrest him for murder.

Seems fishy, doesn't it? The intent was the same, and that is what matters.

You forgot the scenario 3 :

The guy aim another guy's head and then think killing him would be a very bad idea.
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Colonel Mustard
Jan 30 2006, 07:41 AM
Prismatic
Jan 27 2006, 09:43 PM
Scenario One:

A man holds a gun to anther man's head. He fires, but the safety was on. Whoops. Thecopsrush in, take him down, and srrest him for attempted murder.

Scenario Two:

A man holds a gun to another man's head. He fires, and a bullet flies into his head. The copsrush in, find a man standing over a dead body, and arrest him for murder.

Seems fishy, doesn't it? The intent was the same, and that is what matters.

You forgot the scenario 3 :

The guy aim another guy's head and then think killing him would be a very bad idea.

Since when do people get attempted murder for saying "I'm not going to do this anymore?" I've never heard of that ever happening. I think you're misunderstanding what attempted murder is. Having second thoughts before carrying it out is only Conspiracy to Commit Muder. ^o)
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Yeah I've often found it interesting.

This example doesn't use murder, but is to a similar theme.

Say two people on motorbikes where speeding and both driving equally as danegrously. As they were going along both of them lose control and crash into the side of the road. However one of them while crashing happens to knock down and kill a person walking along the side of a road.

The man who hits the person goes down for death by dangerous driving, and the other one just gets done for speeding. Is the one who hit the person any worse than the one who happened to miss?
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Shroud
Jan 29 2006, 04:05 PM
Prismatic
Jan 27 2006, 09:43 PM
Scenario One:

A man holds a gun to anther man's head. He fires, but the safety was on. Whoops. Thecopsrush in, take him down, and srrest him for attempted murder.

Scenario Two:

A man holds a gun to another man's head. He fires, and a bullet flies into his head. The copsrush in, find a man standing over a dead body, and arrest him for murder.

Seems fishy, doesn't it? The intent was the same, and that is what matters.

So if I think right now "I'm going to kill <name>" I should get sent down for attempted murder?

What about Nem/Ben's scenario, should he be sent down?


Just to clarify, you do mean me right?
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Ben
Jan 30 2006, 08:04 PM
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Jan 29 2006, 04:05 PM
Prismatic
Jan 27 2006, 09:43 PM
Scenario One:

A man holds a gun to anther man's head. He fires, but the safety was on. Whoops. Thecopsrush in, take him down, and srrest him for attempted murder.

Scenario Two:

A man holds a gun to another man's head. He fires, and a bullet flies into his head. The copsrush in, find a man standing over a dead body, and arrest him for murder.

Seems fishy, doesn't it? The intent was the same, and that is what matters.

So if I think right now "I'm going to kill <name>" I should get sent down for attempted murder?

What about Nem/Ben's scenario, should he be sent down?


Just to clarify, you do mean me right?

Yes, I mean how you were trying to kill the person, but then realised otherwise, but only AFTER the fight.
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