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Question; god and gays
Topic Started: Dec 7 2006, 04:59 PM (1,486 Views)
Curry
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elven blade1
Dec 7 2006, 10:14 PM
.Gothika
Dec 8 2006, 03:13 AM
Vulcan
Dec 7 2006, 08:11 PM
.Gothika
Dec 7 2006, 10:09 PM
elven blade1
Dec 7 2006, 08:08 PM
punk-emo-rocker
Dec 8 2006, 03:06 AM
elven blade1
Dec 8 2006, 03:05 AM
Ok I guess you guys are right, but if I wanted to start liking men I would almost bet money I could.

K. Hop to it bud.

Well, personally I know people who are gay and they became straight, so whatever.

They may say that, but they are gay at heart. Trust me. ;)

I think animals are a lot different than humans, Vulcan. :ermm:

Even when you don't know the persons in question? That's quite ignorant.

How are animals different than humans, who are animals in themselves?

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Um. That's a bird.


And we are humans. Your point?

Not really.

Comparing a human to a bird is silly. Birds don't have the same awareness as humans, for all they know it's just another animal with a hole to ****. :/

xD Sorry if that sounds gross.

I used to have a dog that humped a stuff animal, and i saw a male dog hump a male cat, umm so I guess thats right.

You two haven't done research of the gay penguins, I take it. They don't see each other as a sex object, but rather as a mate. They took care of a penguin together.
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Vulcan
Dec 8 2006, 03:18 AM
elven blade1
Dec 7 2006, 10:14 PM
.Gothika
Dec 8 2006, 03:13 AM
Vulcan
Dec 7 2006, 08:11 PM
.Gothika
Dec 7 2006, 10:09 PM
elven blade1
Dec 7 2006, 08:08 PM
punk-emo-rocker
Dec 8 2006, 03:06 AM
elven blade1
Dec 8 2006, 03:05 AM
Ok I guess you guys are right, but if I wanted to start liking men I would almost bet money I could.

K. Hop to it bud.

Well, personally I know people who are gay and they became straight, so whatever.

They may say that, but they are gay at heart. Trust me. ;)

I think animals are a lot different than humans, Vulcan. :ermm:

Even when you don't know the persons in question? That's quite ignorant.

How are animals different than humans, who are animals in themselves?

Quote:
 
HAHAHAHHAHA.


Um. That's a bird.


And we are humans. Your point?

Not really.

Comparing a human to a bird is silly. Birds don't have the same awareness as humans, for all they know it's just another animal with a hole to ****. :/

xD Sorry if that sounds gross.

I used to have a dog that humped a stuff animal, and i saw a male dog hump a male cat, umm so I guess thats right.

You two haven't done research of the gay penguins, I take it. They don't see each other as a sex object, but rather as a mate. They took care of a penguin together.

They're still birds and we're still humans.

They don't think. Plain and simple.
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punk-emo-rocker
Dec 7 2006, 10:21 PM
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Dec 8 2006, 03:18 AM
elven blade1
Dec 7 2006, 10:14 PM
.Gothika
Dec 8 2006, 03:13 AM
Vulcan
Dec 7 2006, 08:11 PM
.Gothika
Dec 7 2006, 10:09 PM
elven blade1
Dec 7 2006, 08:08 PM
punk-emo-rocker
Dec 8 2006, 03:06 AM
elven blade1
Dec 8 2006, 03:05 AM
Ok I guess you guys are right, but if I wanted to start liking men I would almost bet money I could.

K. Hop to it bud.

Well, personally I know people who are gay and they became straight, so whatever.

They may say that, but they are gay at heart. Trust me. ;)

I think animals are a lot different than humans, Vulcan. :ermm:

Even when you don't know the persons in question? That's quite ignorant.

How are animals different than humans, who are animals in themselves?

Quote:
 
HAHAHAHHAHA.


Um. That's a bird.


And we are humans. Your point?

Not really.

Comparing a human to a bird is silly. Birds don't have the same awareness as humans, for all they know it's just another animal with a hole to ****. :/

xD Sorry if that sounds gross.

I used to have a dog that humped a stuff animal, and i saw a male dog hump a male cat, umm so I guess thats right.

You two haven't done research of the gay penguins, I take it. They don't see each other as a sex object, but rather as a mate. They took care of a penguin together.

They're still birds and we're still humans.

They don't think. Plain and simple.

We don't know if they think or not.
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Do you have proof of that?
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punk-emo-rocker
Dec 7 2006, 10:29 PM
Do you have proof of that?

Do Animals Think?

What do we have that animals don't, in which to make us think?
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They think, but not to the extent of humans, guys. :ermm:
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.Gothika
Dec 8 2006, 03:35 AM
They think, but not to the extent of humans, guys. :ermm:

exactly.
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I have a problem with creating sin without justification.

I see no justification for calling homosexuality wrong.

Therefore, I have nothing against it, and until I hear God directly say otherwise, I don't see why I should advocate it as a sinful act. Very few places in the Bible cite it as sin, and those were for different society-based reasons and were not divine commands.
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Dec 8 2006, 02:58 AM
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Dec 8 2006, 02:51 AM
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God creates man, correct?

Partly, God creates mans soul. Our sinful nature is created through human conception.

So, in other words, god creats the fact that we can be made, but the actual process of the making of a human is on our own, therefor, if someone's gay, it's almost a disabillity (and please please please don't think I'm saying this, I have no feelings against gays) in gods eyes as it is to have one arm as opposed to 2, and in this case it just so happens to be against the bible?

Can someone with the right knowledge please answer me?
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.Gothika
Dec 7 2006, 06:53 PM
.R3L
Dec 7 2006, 07:40 PM
What is this, god made us gay thing? I'm pretty sure there's no "proof" of it, it's just something gay people started saying. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Oh god. Please get out of this topic, you have overly strong opinions about homosexuality. :ermm:

What the hell Gothika, I have just as much as a right to be in here as you do. And if you havn't noticed, I said correct me if I'm wrong, suggesting that I'm trying to be more understanding this go around. I still disagree with it, but in a less forceful way.
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Dec 7 2006, 09:46 PM
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Dec 7 2006, 04:42 PM
I thought that God was against acts of homosexuality, not necessarily being homosexual.

Precisely. No Christian can deny that we are naturally sinful. Anyone who has not naturally held hate in their heart, lustfully looked after others, been prideful, cared only for themself, etc. is a liar. The point is to refrain from carrying actions out. Homosexual lust is the same as heterosexual lust.

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Nobody said how you were born is wrong, but what you do with how you were born. Just because you are made by God and in His image, doesnt mean that you can justify any act by saying "meh, Im a Son/Daughter of God, who cares if i do [this or this or this...]".

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.R3L, do you mean proof of God creating homosexuality or proof to the contrary?

As Ross pointed out, the Bible states that God does not make us with sin, we are born with sin because of the "curse", if you will, from the Fall of Man. So no, God didn't make us gay, not if the Bible is His holy book. It - and all sins - are 'hereditary' from Adam and Eve. We are born with sin passed down by Adam and Eve, it's not that God made us so. He wanted us to be pure, Adam and Eve corrupted their purity and thus stained Man. The stain remains but God didn't fashion it.
I can't honestly say I can see the logic behind the idea of "God made us gay" other than perhaps an early response to hatred and bullying during the days when lynching a homosexual in the name of God was perfectly acceptable. Probably a conception from the idea that God made us in His image (a phrase often taken out of context) and that God loves all His children (another phrase often stretched beyond its meaning). *shrugs*
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Dec 8 2006, 04:56 PM
.R3L, do you mean proof of God creating homosexuality or proof to the contrary?

As Ross pointed out, the Bible states that God does not make us with sin, we are born with sin because of the "curse", if you will, from the Fall of Man.  So no, God didn't make us gay, not if the Bible is His holy book.  It - and all sins - are 'hereditary' from Adam and Eve.  We are born with sin passed down by Adam and Eve, it's not that God made us so.  He wanted us to be pure, Adam and Eve corrupted their purity and thus stained Man.  The stain remains but God didn't fashion it.
I can't honestly say I can see the logic behind the idea of "God made us gay" other than perhaps an early response to hatred and bullying during the days when lynching a homosexual in the name of God was perfectly acceptable.  Probably a conception from the idea that God made us in His image (a phrase often taken out of context) and that God loves all His children (another phrase often stretched beyond its meaning). *shrugs*

Those are exactly my views. I was just saying, some say theres a gene that makes you gay. I'm not sure if there is, that's why I said correct me if I'm wrong. I do believe however that ultimetly, being gay is the person schoice, no one elses.
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Saying there's a gay gene and saying God makes one gay is slightly different because the former tends to be an atheist argument. It's not without merit though, even in religious literature. Given sin is something we're born with it's likely we are born as homosexuals but the real point to it all - the fact that actually matters in God's eye - is the act of acting upon homosexuality. So effectively one does not choose to be gay but one does choose to act upon those feelings.

Even as an atheist I think the logic carries across both theism and atheism; in theism it simply means we are born with sin but choose to act on it, in atheism it simply means we're born gay but choose to act on it. Sounds reasonable really since nobody forces me to kiss men (not that I have in a long time :clown:). As someone said before (I think it was Ross), being born that way doesn't justify committing the sin in God's eyes. Again, in atheist logic being born gay or straight doesn't mean you're forced to have a relationship or whatever. Two sides of the same coin, they just have different moral implications. I do sometimes wish atheists would back down a little. We have no definite proof either way but theism has its scriptures and atheism has its experience. Morality aside, it is a fact that we're not forced to have homosexual relationships anymore than Mr. X is forced to marry Mrs. Y or someone is forced to drink because alcoholism runs in the family. Where's the shame in accepting responsibility for one's actions?
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I personally believe that being gay isn't a choice made by someone, but I believe it can be inherited through DNA. I, ofcourse, don't mean that if you have a bisexual father of mother, that you'll be bi, but I mean that hormones inherited from your parents may affect your sexuality.

However, I do also believe that there is a choice involved, and that choice would be wether you accept it or not.

Take for example, me. I've accepted the fact that I'm bisexual. I had no control over my sexuality.
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