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Question; god and gays
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Topic Started: Dec 7 2006, 04:59 PM (1,485 Views)
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Dec 8 2006, 11:01 PM
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Alright. I have a question with the whole gay thing tieing up with religion. If god makes us who we are and basically makes everything about us, the how is being gay bad? I mean, if you're gay, you're born that way, which means god made you that way, but god is against gays. So in the end he's just contradicting himself, so how is anything god says true? It just doesn't make sense to me.
Can someone please explain
i havent read the entire topic, but to answer your question....
God doesnt "hate" gay people any more than he "hates" the average alcoholic.
God hates the sin. not the sinner. i sin every day, i make wrong lifestyle choices, and God hates my sin just as much as he hates the gay person's sin.
(before i go any further, if you are homosexual and i refer to it as sin, please do not use this as an offense. i readily admit i have my own sins, and though they are not homosexuality, they are no different.)
by saying He created us in his own image, that is not to say that we are exactly like God. we are, for example, physical, while he is spiritual. to create something in one's own image does not go as far to make it a "clone" of sorts.
with that being said, God did not create us as sinful beings. a reading of Genesis will garner you that. God created us as "choice" beings. in other words, we got to choose whether we sin or not. homosexuality is just one of many choices.
so yes, i do believe homosexuality is a choice. i believe certain tendancies lie in each individual, the same as alcohol and drug addictions. some people are more likely to have that tendency.
so, to summarize what im saying, homosexuality is no different than any other wrong lifestyle choice as defined by the Christian's Bible. anyone who tells you different is a hypocrite. and when God created man in his own image, that does not mean he created us exactly the same as him(obviously). when adam and eve commited the first sin, it in thus in essense turned to a "disease" the rest of mankind is born with. thus the term we are "born" into sin. then you get into that Christ is the only "cure" for this "disease" and so on and so forth. but thats beside the point at hand.
all my personal beliefs.
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Dec 8 2006, 11:17 PM
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Alright. I have a question with the whole gay thing tieing up with religion. If god makes us who we are and basically makes everything about us, the how is being gay bad? I mean, if you're gay, you're born that way, which means god made you that way, but god is against gays. So in the end he's just contradicting himself, so how is anything god says true? It just doesn't make sense to me.
Can someone please explain
i havent read the entire topic, but to answer your question.... God doesnt "hate" gay people any more than he "hates" the average alcoholic. God hates the sin. not the sinner. i sin every day, i make wrong lifestyle choices, and God hates my sin just as much as he hates the gay person's sin. (before i go any further, if you are homosexual and i refer to it as sin, please do not use this as an offense. i readily admit i have my own sins, and though they are not homosexuality, they are no different.) by saying He created us in his own image, that is not to say that we are exactly like God. we are, for example, physical, while he is spiritual. to create something in one's own image does not go as far to make it a "clone" of sorts. with that being said, God did not create us as sinful beings. a reading of Genesis will garner you that. God created us as "choice" beings. in other words, we got to choose whether we sin or not. homosexuality is just one of many choices. so yes, i do believe homosexuality is a choice. i believe certain tendancies lie in each individual, the same as alcohol and drug addictions. some people are more likely to have that tendency. so, to summarize what im saying, homosexuality is no different than any other wrong lifestyle choice as defined by the Christian's Bible. anyone who tells you different is a hypocrite. and when God created man in his own image, that does not mean he created us exactly the same as him(obviously). when adam and eve commited the first sin, it in thus in essense turned to a "disease" the rest of mankind is born with. thus the term we are "born" into sin. then you get into that Christ is the only "cure" for this "disease" and so on and so forth. but thats beside the point at hand. all my personal beliefs.
I'd love someone to answer the question that has read the entire topic so they know what they're talking about and what I am.
And homosexuality is not a choice. So everyone, shut the hell up with that.
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Dec 8 2006, 11:19 PM
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I'd love someone to answer the question that has read the entire topic so they know what they're talking about and what I am.
And homosexuality is not a choice. So everyone, shut the hell up with that.
i dont need to read a topic to know what im talking about.
and please tell me, what are you?
and i believe it is. i have just as much of a right to voice my opinion as you.
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Dec 8 2006, 11:21 PM
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I'd love someone to answer the question that has read the entire topic so they know what they're talking about and what I am.
And homosexuality is not a choice. So everyone, shut the hell up with that.
i dont need to read a topic to know what im talking about. and please tell me, what are you? and i believe it is. i have just as much of a right to voice my opinion as you.
How can you believe it is? Are you gay?
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Dec 8 2006, 11:25 PM
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I'd love someone to answer the question that has read the entire topic so they know what they're talking about and what I am.
And homosexuality is not a choice. So everyone, shut the hell up with that.
i dont need to read a topic to know what im talking about. and please tell me, what are you? and i believe it is. i have just as much of a right to voice my opinion as you.
How can you believe it is? Are you gay?
no.
i missed the memo where you have to experience something to have any sort of opinion on it.
i dont do drugs and neither am i an alcoholic. but i believe he or she could stop whenever he or she wanted.
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Dec 8 2006, 11:26 PM
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I'd love someone to answer the question that has read the entire topic so they know what they're talking about and what I am.
And homosexuality is not a choice. So everyone, shut the hell up with that.
i dont need to read a topic to know what im talking about. and please tell me, what are you? and i believe it is. i have just as much of a right to voice my opinion as you.
How can you believe it is? Are you gay?
no. i missed the memo where you have to experience something to have any sort of opinion on it. i dont do drugs and neither am i an alcoholic. but i believe he or she could stop whenever he or she wanted.
Alcohol is something that can be controlled just by quitting. Homosexuality isn't like that, my friend. You're born with it. You're like that all your life. End of story. GG.
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Dec 8 2006, 11:27 PM
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I'd love someone to answer the question that has read the entire topic so they know what they're talking about and what I am.
And homosexuality is not a choice. So everyone, shut the hell up with that.
i dont need to read a topic to know what im talking about. and please tell me, what are you? and i believe it is. i have just as much of a right to voice my opinion as you.
How can you believe it is? Are you gay?
no. i missed the memo where you have to experience something to have any sort of opinion on it. i dont do drugs and neither am i an alcoholic. but i believe he or she could stop whenever he or she wanted.
Alcohol is something that can be controlled just by quitting. Homosexuality isn't like that, my friend. You're born with it. You're like that all your life. End of story. GG.
how do you know? are you gay?
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Dec 8 2006, 11:28 PM
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I'd love someone to answer the question that has read the entire topic so they know what they're talking about and what I am.
And homosexuality is not a choice. So everyone, shut the hell up with that.
i dont need to read a topic to know what im talking about. and please tell me, what are you? and i believe it is. i have just as much of a right to voice my opinion as you.
How can you believe it is? Are you gay?
no. i missed the memo where you have to experience something to have any sort of opinion on it. i dont do drugs and neither am i an alcoholic. but i believe he or she could stop whenever he or she wanted.
Alcohol is something that can be controlled just by quitting. Homosexuality isn't like that, my friend. You're born with it. You're like that all your life. End of story. GG.
how do you know? are you gay?
No, but I have a very close friend who is and if he didn't HAVE to be gay, he wouldn't. He gets ridiculed 24/7 for it and he says he wishes he wasn't. He can't control it, and you can ask any other gay person the same question and they will tell you that exact same thing.
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Dec 8 2006, 11:29 PM
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I'd love someone to answer the question that has read the entire topic so they know what they're talking about and what I am.
And homosexuality is not a choice. So everyone, shut the hell up with that.
i dont need to read a topic to know what im talking about. and please tell me, what are you? and i believe it is. i have just as much of a right to voice my opinion as you.
How can you believe it is? Are you gay?
no. i missed the memo where you have to experience something to have any sort of opinion on it. i dont do drugs and neither am i an alcoholic. but i believe he or she could stop whenever he or she wanted.
Alcohol is something that can be controlled just by quitting. Homosexuality isn't like that, my friend. You're born with it. You're like that all your life. End of story. GG.
how do you know? are you gay?
No, but I have a very close friend who is and if he didn't HAVE to be gay, he wouldn't. He gets ridiculed 24/7 for it and he says he wishes he wasn't. He can't control it, and you can ask any other gay person the same question and they will tell you that exact same thing.
i know plenty of alcoholics who wish they had never taken a drink.
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Dec 8 2006, 11:30 PM
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I'd love someone to answer the question that has read the entire topic so they know what they're talking about and what I am.
And homosexuality is not a choice. So everyone, shut the hell up with that.
i dont need to read a topic to know what im talking about. and please tell me, what are you? and i believe it is. i have just as much of a right to voice my opinion as you.
How can you believe it is? Are you gay?
no. i missed the memo where you have to experience something to have any sort of opinion on it. i dont do drugs and neither am i an alcoholic. but i believe he or she could stop whenever he or she wanted.
Alcohol is something that can be controlled just by quitting. Homosexuality isn't like that, my friend. You're born with it. You're like that all your life. End of story. GG.
how do you know? are you gay?
No, but I have a very close friend who is and if he didn't HAVE to be gay, he wouldn't. He gets ridiculed 24/7 for it and he says he wishes he wasn't. He can't control it, and you can ask any other gay person the same question and they will tell you that exact same thing.
i know plenty of alcoholics who wish they had never taken a drink.
Again, that's a lot different. Alcohol isn't genetic.
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Again, that's a lot different. Alcohol isn't genetic.
neither is homosexuality.
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Dec 8 2006, 11:32 PM
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Again, that's a lot different. Alcohol isn't genetic.
neither is homosexuality.
Errr sorry, I used to wrong word. I meant to say biological.
And yes it is. That's where you're wrong.
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Dec 8 2006, 11:34 PM
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Again, that's a lot different. Alcohol isn't genetic.
neither is homosexuality.
Errr sorry, I used to wrong word. I meant to say biological. And yes it is. That's where you're wrong.
yay for stating opinions as facts!
one is born with homosexual tendencies. just the same with any other tendency. the temptation is not the sin.
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Dec 8 2006, 11:37 PM
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Alright. I have a question with the whole gay thing tieing up with religion. If god makes us who we are and basically makes everything about us, the how is being gay bad? I mean, if you're gay, you're born that way, which means god made you that way, but god is against gays. So in the end he's just contradicting himself, so how is anything god says true? It just doesn't make sense to me.
Can someone please explain
i havent read the entire topic, but to answer your question.... God doesnt "hate" gay people any more than he "hates" the average alcoholic. God hates the sin. not the sinner. i sin every day, i make wrong lifestyle choices, and God hates my sin just as much as he hates the gay person's sin. (before i go any further, if you are homosexual and i refer to it as sin, please do not use this as an offense. i readily admit i have my own sins, and though they are not homosexuality, they are no different.) by saying He created us in his own image, that is not to say that we are exactly like God. we are, for example, physical, while he is spiritual. to create something in one's own image does not go as far to make it a "clone" of sorts. with that being said, God did not create us as sinful beings. a reading of Genesis will garner you that. God created us as "choice" beings. in other words, we got to choose whether we sin or not. homosexuality is just one of many choices. so yes, i do believe homosexuality is a choice. i believe certain tendancies lie in each individual, the same as alcohol and drug addictions. some people are more likely to have that tendency. so, to summarize what im saying, homosexuality is no different than any other wrong lifestyle choice as defined by the Christian's Bible. anyone who tells you different is a hypocrite. and when God created man in his own image, that does not mean he created us exactly the same as him(obviously). when adam and eve commited the first sin, it in thus in essense turned to a "disease" the rest of mankind is born with. thus the term we are "born" into sin. then you get into that Christ is the only "cure" for this "disease" and so on and so forth. but thats beside the point at hand. all my personal beliefs.
I'd love someone to answer the question that has read the entire topic so they know what they're talking about and what I am. And homosexuality is not a choice. So everyone, shut the hell up with that.
How do you know it isn't a choice?
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Dec 9 2006, 12:43 AM
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A guy sleeps with another guy. He made the choice to engage in homosexual activity. And from what I remember, homosexuality was never proven (there are theories) to be genetic. In my opinion, homosexual attraction is psychological.
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