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Dec 9 2006, 01:11 AM
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Alright, if noone is going to answer my questions and just ***** about homosexuality, may this please be locked?
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Dec 9 2006, 01:27 AM
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Alright, if noone is going to answer my questions and just ***** about homosexuality, may this please be locked? Thank you
No one can answer your question because no one here is God.
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Dec 9 2006, 01:37 AM
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Alright. I have a question with the whole gay thing tieing up with religion. If god makes us who we are and basically makes everything about us, the how is being gay bad? I mean, if you're gay, you're born that way, which means god made you that way, but god is against gays. So in the end he's just contradicting himself, so how is anything god says true? It just doesn't make sense to me.
Can someone please explain
i havent read the entire topic, but to answer your question.... God doesnt "hate" gay people any more than he "hates" the average alcoholic. God hates the sin. not the sinner. i sin every day, i make wrong lifestyle choices, and God hates my sin just as much as he hates the gay person's sin. (before i go any further, if you are homosexual and i refer to it as sin, please do not use this as an offense. i readily admit i have my own sins, and though they are not homosexuality, they are no different.) by saying He created us in his own image, that is not to say that we are exactly like God. we are, for example, physical, while he is spiritual. to create something in one's own image does not go as far to make it a "clone" of sorts. with that being said, God did not create us as sinful beings. a reading of Genesis will garner you that. God created us as "choice" beings. in other words, we got to choose whether we sin or not. homosexuality is just one of many choices. so yes, i do believe homosexuality is a choice. i believe certain tendancies lie in each individual, the same as alcohol and drug addictions. some people are more likely to have that tendency. so, to summarize what im saying, homosexuality is no different than any other wrong lifestyle choice as defined by the Christian's Bible. anyone who tells you different is a hypocrite. and when God created man in his own image, that does not mean he created us exactly the same as him(obviously). when adam and eve commited the first sin, it in thus in essense turned to a "disease" the rest of mankind is born with. thus the term we are "born" into sin. then you get into that Christ is the only "cure" for this "disease" and so on and so forth. but thats beside the point at hand. all my personal beliefs.
I'd love someone to answer the question that has read the entire topic so they know what they're talking about and what I am. And homosexuality is not a choice. So everyone, shut the hell up with that.
How do you know it isn't a choice?
How do you know it is?
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Dec 9 2006, 04:01 AM
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Alright. I have a question with the whole gay thing tieing up with religion. If god makes us who we are and basically makes everything about us, the how is being gay bad? I mean, if you're gay, you're born that way, which means god made you that way, but god is against gays. So in the end he's just contradicting himself, so how is anything god says true? It just doesn't make sense to me.
Can someone please explain
i havent read the entire topic, but to answer your question.... God doesnt "hate" gay people any more than he "hates" the average alcoholic. God hates the sin. not the sinner. i sin every day, i make wrong lifestyle choices, and God hates my sin just as much as he hates the gay person's sin. (before i go any further, if you are homosexual and i refer to it as sin, please do not use this as an offense. i readily admit i have my own sins, and though they are not homosexuality, they are no different.) by saying He created us in his own image, that is not to say that we are exactly like God. we are, for example, physical, while he is spiritual. to create something in one's own image does not go as far to make it a "clone" of sorts. with that being said, God did not create us as sinful beings. a reading of Genesis will garner you that. God created us as "choice" beings. in other words, we got to choose whether we sin or not. homosexuality is just one of many choices. so yes, i do believe homosexuality is a choice. i believe certain tendancies lie in each individual, the same as alcohol and drug addictions. some people are more likely to have that tendency. so, to summarize what im saying, homosexuality is no different than any other wrong lifestyle choice as defined by the Christian's Bible. anyone who tells you different is a hypocrite. and when God created man in his own image, that does not mean he created us exactly the same as him(obviously). when adam and eve commited the first sin, it in thus in essense turned to a "disease" the rest of mankind is born with. thus the term we are "born" into sin. then you get into that Christ is the only "cure" for this "disease" and so on and so forth. but thats beside the point at hand. all my personal beliefs.
I'd love someone to answer the question that has read the entire topic so they know what they're talking about and what I am. And homosexuality is not a choice. So everyone, shut the hell up with that.
How do you know it isn't a choice?
How do you know it is?
I never said it was. Wow, don't you guys read the posts? I'm just saying it wasnt proven to be something you're born with.
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Dec 9 2006, 12:54 PM
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Alright, if noone is going to answer my questions and just ***** about homosexuality, may this please be locked? Thank you
No one can answer your question because no one here is God.
But people with the knowledge that Ross and Hero of Dreams have can give me the best answer I'm looking for.
Can someone lock this for the second time please?
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Dec 9 2006, 02:32 PM
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God creates man, correct?
Partly, God creates mans soul. Our sinful nature is created through human conception.
So, in other words, god creats the fact that we can be made, but the actual process of the making of a human is on our own, therefor, if someone's gay, it's almost a disabillity (and please please please don't think I'm saying this, I have no feelings against gays) in gods eyes as it is to have one arm as opposed to 2, and in this case it just so happens to be against the bible?
Can someone with the right knowledge please answer me?
Sure, i'll answer it for ya.
Take offense or question, But i'm only answering the question. I'm way too lazy to sit and defend in this topic.
Okay. First off: God created the whole nine yards of us. Mhm.
Yet i know people hate verses used out the book. It HAS to be done.
genesis 2:Verse 7: The Lord God formed the man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.
God created man and women. Even in his image. And if the message isn't clear enough already, He made that "Soul" and the "body" you use now.There is no actual process of the making of a human on our own is.
Now, we allowed the sin to come into us. Our bad thoughts now is what sin is made of and is drived off of. Remember: Sin was brought into the world when Adam and Eve disobeyed. Which opened the gate of sin. And along with that sin was the homosexusality we witness today.
Now, This frequent question: "Can you be born gay?" What? Born physically gay? born mentally gay? What? Mentally and phyisically, No. There were curses/Bad stuff that could upbring this? No. When Mose was alive. He told his people of the commandments, and what after effects would be given. Generations could be affected by Homosexusality,but you couldn't be born gay. You had to have experiance. And if they say they never expericanced something to lead them into that nature, Ask again, Cause a good girl may be good at vision but not good at heart. Do good, and good would come to you. Do bad and bad would come to you. Now, Let me stress this: That doesn't mean that if you do GOOD, GOOD would come your way every single time. Why? The World is a Bad place, Son. Wanna vent your angry? Blame Adam and eve. But you can't be born gay, technically. ( IF you disagree, Well disagree. )
Anyways, God did it and he did it all. Soul, Body, EVERYTHING. God created us in his image and Likeness. God isn't gay. Need proof? He is Holy, Free of sin. He is the Alpha the Omega, And he is the beginning and the end. Anyone who has ever read a bible, christian or not would know of it. He loves all, even if disabled. HE hates the SIN not You as a person. And the sinful nature of Homosexusality is a sin. Need proof? Here ya go:
Stated in Revelation:21,8: But the Cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexusally immoral: (Yes, That also includes all of it: Beastilty, Homo, Bi, Lez, Dang the whole nine yards.) And from my put in, I'll continue the verse: Those who practice the magic arts, the idolaters and all liars- Their place will be in the fiey lake of burning Sulfur(Yes, That's hell.). This is the second death.
So yeah, If it WERE stated and facted the way you asked Punk-Emo, Then yes. But clearly, it isn't, so no. Homosexusality isn't a disablity, it's a sin. He hates your sin, but not you. You can't be born that way 'cause god didn't state it that way. And for those who think, " Well, He didn't state exactly HOW he wanted us." Oh, But he did. In his likeness and his image. We were clean from the beginning and since that day Adam disobeyed, we been dirty ever since.
Done, If you have a question you can Pm me. But i'm not posting in defense in this topic no more. Some would say that's stupid, but hey, i'm tired of trying.
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Dec 9 2006, 03:48 PM
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Alright, if noone is going to answer my questions and just ***** about homosexuality, may this please be locked? Thank you
No one can answer your question because no one here is God.
But people with the knowledge that Ross and Hero of Dreams have can give me the best answer I'm looking for. Can someone lock this for the second time please?
would you tell us your question? i answered the initial topic to the best of my ability and ross isnt the only one here who can give you a christian perspective.
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Dec 9 2006, 03:50 PM
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Hurrah, this can be locked.
Question answered! For the most part.
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Dec 10 2006, 12:02 AM
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God loves every human being, but to him, the act of homosexaulity is wrong.
It's like, if you had a son who committed a crime, you would still love him, no?
You can't punish someone for who they are man. If you were black, would it not be wrong to punish you because you were black?
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Dec 10 2006, 12:28 AM
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God loves every human being, but to him, the act of homosexaulity is wrong.
It's like, if you had a son who committed a crime, you would still love him, no?
You can't punish someone for who they are man. If you were black, would it not be wrong to punish you because you were black?
Last time I checked, being black wasn't a sin.
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Dec 10 2006, 01:31 AM
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God creates man, correct?
Partly, God creates mans soul. Our sinful nature is created through human conception.
So, in other words, god creats the fact that we can be made, but the actual process of the making of a human is on our own, therefor, if someone's gay, it's almost a disabillity (and please please please don't think I'm saying this, I have no feelings against gays) in gods eyes as it is to have one arm as opposed to 2, and in this case it just so happens to be against the bible?
Can someone with the right knowledge please answer me?
Sure, i'll answer it for ya. Take offense or question, But i'm only answering the question. I'm way too lazy to sit and defend in this topic. Okay. First off: God created the whole nine yards of us. Mhm. Yet i know people hate verses used out the book. It HAS to be done. genesis 2:Verse 7: The Lord God formed the man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being. God created man and women. Even in his image. And if the message isn't clear enough already, He made that "Soul" and the "body" you use now.There is no actual process of the making of a human on our own is. Now, we allowed the sin to come into us. Our bad thoughts now is what sin is made of and is drived off of. Remember: Sin was brought into the world when Adam and Eve disobeyed. Which opened the gate of sin. And along with that sin was the homosexusality we witness today. Now, This frequent question: "Can you be born gay?" What? Born physically gay? born mentally gay? What? Mentally and phyisically, No. There were curses/Bad stuff that could upbring this? No. When Mose was alive. He told his people of the commandments, and what after effects would be given. Generations could be affected by Homosexusality,but you couldn't be born gay. You had to have experiance. And if they say they never expericanced something to lead them into that nature, Ask again, Cause a good girl may be good at vision but not good at heart. Do good, and good would come to you. Do bad and bad would come to you. Now, Let me stress this: That doesn't mean that if you do GOOD, GOOD would come your way every single time. Why? The World is a Bad place, Son. Wanna vent your angry? Blame Adam and eve. But you can't be born gay, technically. ( IF you disagree, Well disagree. )Anyways, God did it and he did it all. Soul, Body, EVERYTHING. God created us in his image and Likeness. God isn't gay. Need proof? He is Holy, Free of sin. He is the Alpha the Omega, And he is the beginning and the end. Anyone who has ever read a bible, christian or not would know of it. He loves all, even if disabled. HE hates the SIN not You as a person. And the sinful nature of Homosexusality is a sin. Need proof? Here ya go: Stated in Revelation:21,8: But the Cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexusally immoral: (Yes, That also includes all of it: Beastilty, Homo, Bi, Lez, Dang the whole nine yards.) And from my put in, I'll continue the verse: Those who practice the magic arts, the idolaters and all liars- Their place will be in the fiey lake of burning Sulfur(Yes, That's hell.). This is the second death.So yeah, If it WERE stated and facted the way you asked Punk-Emo, Then yes. But clearly, it isn't, so no. Homosexusality isn't a disablity, it's a sin. He hates your sin, but not you. You can't be born that way 'cause god didn't state it that way. And for those who think, " Well, He didn't state exactly HOW he wanted us." Oh, But he did. In his likeness and his image. We were clean from the beginning and since that day Adam disobeyed, we been dirty ever since. Done, If you have a question you can Pm me. But i'm not posting in defense in this topic no more. Some would say that's stupid, but hey, i'm tired of trying.
Very well said. I completely agree.
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Dec 10 2006, 01:55 AM
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Alright. I have a question with the whole gay thing tieing up with religion. If god makes us who we are and basically makes everything about us, the how is being gay bad? I mean, if you're gay, you're born that way, which means god made you that way, but god is against gays. So in the end he's just contradicting himself, so how is anything god says true? It just doesn't make sense to me.
Can someone please explain
"I mean, if you're gay, you're born that way,"
That's debateable.
"god is against gays."
No, God isn't against gays. Love the sinner, hate the sin.
Also, some people interpret Bible verses as you shouldn't go against your natural sex orientation. Therefore, if you're hetero, then it's blasphemous to engage in homosexual acts. On the other hand, if you're "born homosexual", then it's blasphemous to engage in heterosexual acts.
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Dec 10 2006, 02:40 AM
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LOCK THIS!
Do moderators not do anythign anymore?
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Dec 10 2006, 12:48 PM
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Love the sinner, hate the sin.
I'm beginning to question that statement quite frequently now. Here are some things that completely contradict that statement:
- The Fundamentalist's allegations that Harry Potter is an agenda that is trying to teach children how to worship Satan and practise Witchcraft.
- The Westboro Baptist Church - afterall, according to their edition of the Holy Bible, the particular Leviticus phrase has "it is an abomination worthy of death."
- Allegations that homosexuality is a choice, and that they are disobient to God.
- Allegations that atheists will go straight to Hell for beliving solely in a secular lifestyle.
- Protests against things against Christianity. "Spain legalised Gay Marriage? Oh no, family values have gone down!"
Seeing how some of those things occur, I'm beginning to wonder whether or not people actually heed this.
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Dec 10 2006, 05:55 PM
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Seeing how some of those things occur, I'm beginning to wonder whether or not people actually heed this.
all religions have their extremists, and sadly, christianity is no different. we all see the protestors with the signs of "God hates Fags" and such. but those people arent christians. they dont follow the Bible, particularly the new testament, in which the main essence of the entire book is about love.
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*]The Fundamentalist's allegations that Harry Potter is an agenda that is trying to teach children how to worship Satan and practise Witchcraft.
i dont really understand what that has to do with love and hate, but i do not believe such a thing.
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[*]The Westboro Baptist Church - afterall, according to their edition of the Holy Bible, the particular Leviticus phrase has "it is an abomination worthy of death."
again, the westboro baptist church in no way represents true christianity. i believe you for one are intelligent enough to gather that much--but westboro is a hypocritical organization with its own agenda and very extreme beliefs--to which hardly any person who truly calls himself a christian will claim.
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[*]Allegations that homosexuality is a choice, and that they are disobient to God.
again, i dont see how this dissproves "love the sinner, hate the sin." if one truly believes the bible, everyone is disobedient to God, christians and non-christians alike.
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[*]Allegations that atheists will go straight to Hell for beliving solely in a secular lifestyle.
im not sure whether you have ever studied the Bible or are garnering these statements from other "christains", but the Bible states that Christ is the only way to heaven and the only alternative is hell. its not just atheists.
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[*]Protests against things against Christianity. "Spain legalised Gay Marriage? Oh no, family values have gone down!"
again, extremists. however, i dont see what protests in general have to do with love and hate.
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