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Bible [Evil]
Topic Started: Dec 26 2006, 08:44 PM (741 Views)
Cody-ZNR
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I am a Christian, and I have been one for basically all of my life. I attend church regularly, so basically I serve faithfully. Lately I was talking to someone, and they were talking to me about the "evil side" of the Bible. I was interested, so I listened. However, I had to go, so he didn't give me like actual scriptural evidence, but he convinced me enough that he wasn't lying. So, I was wondering if there is an "evil side" to the Bible?

I don't remember all of what he said, but one of the things I remember him saying was Jesus ordered women to be killed who were not virgins on their wedding day. That is not good. I know what the Bible says about sex before marriage and stuff like that, but I do not see why he would order them to be killed when people can ask him to forgive them of their sins.

So was there any truth to what he said?
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I don't know if that could be true. I'm not into the whole religion thing, I mean I respect others that believe in it, but those that die for religion are not very smart.

There could be, we don't know.
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Well, he's not really lying if he truly believes that, but that doesn't mean that he's correct. I've come across God striking down sinners in the Old Testament, but I've never heard of Jesus ordering some women to be killed. Interesting thing, however; I was watching a show about Gnostics, and they believe that the God in the Old Testament was evil - that's based off of the allegedly destroyed documents or Gnostic gospels.
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Dec 27 2006, 12:50 AM
Well, he's not really lying if he truly believes that, but that doesn't mean that he's correct. I've come across God striking down sinners in the Old Testament, but I've never heard of Jesus ordering some women to be killed. Interesting thing, however; I was watching a show about Gnostics, and they believe that the God in the Old Testament was evil - that's based off of the allegedly destroyed documents or Gnostic gospels.

I have heard a few stories about the Old Testament, too. I am really not sure what to think. Hopefully someone has the answer, and I will talk to him again when he is online so I can give you guys more examples. That may help more. c_;)
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Umm have you read the Bible? Jesus certainly didn't say anything like that.
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Cody
Dec 26 2006, 06:44 PM
I am a Christian, and I have been one for basically all of my life. I attend church regularly, so basically I serve faithfully. Lately I was talking to someone, and they were talking to me about the "evil side" of the Bible. I was interested, so I listened. However, I had to go, so he didn't give me like actual scriptural evidence, but he convinced me enough that he wasn't lying. So, I was wondering if there is an "evil side" to the Bible?

I don't remember all of what he said, but one of the things I remember him saying was Jesus ordered women to be killed who were not virgins on their wedding day. That is not good. I know what the Bible says about sex before marriage and stuff like that, but I do not see why he would order them to be killed when people can ask him to forgive them of their sins.

So was there any truth to what he said?

try finding that in the Bible for me.
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Jesus didn’t order anybody to be killed. :)
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I've read most of the Bible relating to Jesus, and I can say with confidence that your friend was mislead, there is nothing in the Bible that says anything like that. If you'll notice, Jesus wasn't the guy who had friends in high places (other than God), he was the guy who loved everyone, sinner and saint. He was always around the lowly members of society, rarely was he with the high ones, and the most angry he ever got in the Bible was when he got mad at the sacrifices being sold in a holy place.

However, the Bible does have a very evil side to it in some senses. The New Testament shows God's love, Revelations is not God's wrath, but is instead Satan's wrath. The Old Testament was where he was a bit more evil, destroying cities, turning people into salt, killing people for sinning, and even the whole stoning-of-children thing. It definitely has an evil side, for some reason God and his soldiers are an exception of the no killing rule for example.

Food for thought. :)
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However, the Bible does have a very evil side to it in some senses. The New Testament shows God's love, Revelations is not God's wrath, but is instead Satan's wrath. The Old Testament was where he was a bit more evil, destroying cities, turning people into salt, killing people for sinning, and even the whole stoning-of-children thing. It definitely has an evil side, for some reason God and his soldiers are an exception of the no killing rule for example.

1) God has wrath. he says so.
2) God is not evil. if he was, he could not be holy, if he is not holy, he is a liar, and if he is a liar, he is not God.
3) there is no "no killing rule". there is a no murder rule.
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The Bible isn't evil. People just don't know how to interpret the Bible, or God for that matter.
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I sure remember when I was younger thinking God was evil after reading some of the Old Testament. But I agree with Ross.
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sounds like some false information with the general creation point being The DaVinchi Code, only a little different. I could be wrong though, but, that reminded me a lot of the book.
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I know there are parts of the Bible I'm not particularly fond of. There are many that can be taken out of context, mostly Leviticus and Deuteronomy.

People who worked on Sunday were to be killed.
Children who talked back to their parents were to be killed.
Women who weren't virgins wre probably killed.

I wouldn't be surprised at much else getting the same penalty. But rather than the Bible being evil, I think the Old Testement comes from a very barbaric context. Other religions demanded children sacrifices and prisoners of war weren't exactly turned into political issues. So laying down those laws at that time probably made the most sense at the time.

However, Jesus didn't preach anything on that note. There are some extreme statements in the Bible but as far as I'm concerned, Jesus is one of the most pure people in it.
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If memory serves me right, Jesus was the one who saved a non-virgin... an adulterous woman for that matter
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3And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst,

4They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.

5Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?

6This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.

7So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.

8And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.

9And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.

10When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?

11She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.


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People need to understand that a lot of things in the old testament are completely relative to the situations they were in. Having the knowledge we have today it's hard to understand it, but people got to understand this. We had the Israelites, they were to have the promised land, but the promised land was full of people who didn't believe in God and made god's of their own. So what did we want to do? Take it from them because they were the redeemers of mankind. We were right and they were wrong so we were to take a lot of it by force.

Now I know that seems rather ruthless but this was all before we had any rules to follow, the 10 commandments didn't all that quickly so a lot of this stuff happened. Of course this is going to make people angry because it seems very arrogant and impatient because there is no saying we could accomplish the same thing back then that we are doing now which is showing people religion and seeing if they want to be a part of it. Could that have worked back then? There is a good possibility. A lot of this is the reason why things like the crusades happened; because people though they were doing the Lords will by killing people who weren't Christians.

Yes Christianity hasn't had the prettiest path in the world, but ask yourself this. Is there any teaching that comes out of the Bible that is inhumain to you? Can you say that doing exactly what the Bible says will end up in the downfall of humanity? The teachings of the Bible are incredible and you will find no trace of anything that closely resembles 'the dark side of the bible.' People who say stuff like that are only trying to single out the negative in the Bible and completely disregard what the teachings say. Does the Bible say 'if someone doesn't believe in me, condemn them to hell and I will do it' or anything like that does it? No, in fact the Bible tells us to love our neighbors and pray for the ones that persecute you. Look at Jesus, like everyone has been saying in this thread, he ate with tax collectors who cheated people out of their money and he ate with prostitutes and forgave them because they had faith in him. There is no greater act of forgiveness.

So to sum it all up, I believe in Jesus and his teachings more than anything in the Bible. you go with him and you will find no traces of this debatable 'dark side' of the Bible. Times changed and people need to understand that our world wasn't always like the way it is now. Some people go out and try to find every single thing about the Bible that they don't like and then try to tell us that this is why the Bible is 100% evil. I say, 'well what about all those chapters that teach us to love and forgive our enemies' and they never have an answer that isn't bias. They'll try to tell you 'it doesn't matter because the Bible is good and this is evil' and leave it at that. People who go into the bible and try to find something that looks bad will find something that looks bad. Do they go to the bible to try and find something good about it? No, because their decision is already made from the start lol.
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