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President Bush's SZ Approval Rating
Topic Started: Dec 27 2006, 03:57 PM (1,879 Views)
nymetsfan25
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OcelotJay
Dec 28 2006, 01:17 AM
nymetsfan25
Dec 28 2006, 04:29 AM
The poll doesn't ask everybody, obviously.  So that number isn't exactly correct, but it is a close estimate, as the polls are given to certain people in different backgrounds.

And in turn it entirely misrepresents and misleads people. Doing that relies on people being uniformed, that people of x background with y lifestyle must all be the same. It only says that 39% of people consulted approve of Bush. That's not different to the fact that the numbers you see in this poll in no way reflect the feelings of the Skin Zone majority. It may well come close in theory - maybe the majority don't like Bush - but without at least 3/4 of those who are active voting it's not possible to claim it's an accurate estimate. It's just a controlled statistic which, on its own, stands for nothing.

Ever seen those "9/10 people prefer Yakkity Yak to Smakkity Smak" in adverts? It's all lies. Chances are only 5/5 people prefer one above the other because the "poll" is held in favour of the product; it seeks to ask regular users above all else naturally creating extreme bias. This is evident in the fact that apparently 9/10 people like all products above all other products, which seems to suggest either everyone buys every product and they lied in the questionnaire, or the company is only taking the target audience into consideration, a logical but flawed method.

I understand what you are saying, and it is true to an extent. The polls are given to 100% random people and is a very small scale. But, being that it is given to random people, it makes it somewhat correct. The source in one of my above posts says accurate to 3% of the actual number. They know this because they are smarter than any of us here (maybe not everybody, but the VAST majority).

Say, just for the sake of argument, that Bush's actual approval rating was 50% (every eligible voter voted and it came out even). If they did a telephone survey of 1,000 people, what are the odds that it will come out way different than 50/50? Sure, it will probably be different, but it probably wouldn't be more different than maybe 55/45. That's not to say it couldn't be 70/30%, but it is very likely that the numbers will be similar.
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nymetsfan25
Dec 28 2006, 01:01 AM
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Dec 28 2006, 12:47 AM
No. I think most of his actions reguardless of reason, be it religious or not, were over the top. The War in Iraq was just plain stupid in my opinion, I'd rather he step up security in the United States only, and just leave Iraq well alone. War should be a last resort when another nation attacks us consistently. If the he spent the money he spent on the war on security here in the US, we wouldnt have to worry about attacks anymore.

I wont even bother with his other stuff, or I will be at it all night.

~ Crimson

So basically what you are saying is everytime we are attacked for no reason, all we should do is raise our security measures? No.

We needed to defend ourselves, and the war was 100% the right thing to do, just not to the extent that we are involved in now.

It's not like attacks are often. If someone is repeatedly attacking us. That is cause for war. But a random terrorist attack is no reason for war. I think it was childish to call to arm for a kick in the knee. If someone punches me in the face out of no where, I would stand back and bring up my guard, If they have the nerve to do it again I stop them. If they persist in a fight I disable them. Not pound them into the ground.

Most Marial Arts state there is no first attack. And unneeded fighting is useless.

And Martial Arts basically translates to The Art of War.

~ Crimson
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Crimson
Dec 28 2006, 01:26 AM
nymetsfan25
Dec 28 2006, 01:01 AM
Crimson
Dec 28 2006, 12:47 AM
No. I think most of his actions reguardless of reason, be it religious or not, were over the top. The War in Iraq was just plain stupid in my opinion, I'd rather he step up security in the United States only, and just leave Iraq well alone. War should be a last resort when another nation attacks us consistently. If the he spent the money he spent on the war on security here in the US, we wouldnt have to worry about attacks anymore.

I wont even bother with his other stuff, or I will be at it all night.

~ Crimson

So basically what you are saying is everytime we are attacked for no reason, all we should do is raise our security measures? No.

We needed to defend ourselves, and the war was 100% the right thing to do, just not to the extent that we are involved in now.

It's not like attacks are often. If someone is repeatedly attacking us. That is cause for war. But a random terrorist attack is no reason for war. I think it was childish to call to arm for a kick in the knee. If someone punches me in the face out of no where, I would stand back and bring up my guard, If they have the nerve to do it again I stop them. If they persist in a fight I disable them. Not pound them into the ground.

Most Marial Arts state there is no first attack. And unneeded fighting is useless.

And Martial Arts basically translates to The Art of War.

~ Crimson

Thank God the UN doesn't govern the world by Martial Arts.

I'm sorry, but if somebody punches me in the face, let alone kill thousands of innocent people for no reason, something needs to be done.
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nymetsfan25
Dec 28 2006, 01:37 AM
Thank God the UN doesn't govern the world by Martial Arts.

I'm sorry, but if somebody punches me in the face, let alone kill thousands of innocent people for no reason, something needs to be done.

Hey, don't get me wrong. I do believe in punishment, but there are other ways of dealing with things than by fighting.

What are we supposed to do about a Terrist attack anyway? Force them into surrender? They knew that wouldnt happen. They go down kicking and screaming before they surrender. I would just clean up the mess, hold all those who we can attain accountable, and in this case issue a warning or threat to all others who would want to pursue on that action.

~ Crimson
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Dec 28 2006, 02:23 AM
nymetsfan25
Dec 28 2006, 01:37 AM
Thank God the UN doesn't govern the world by Martial Arts.

I'm sorry, but if somebody punches me in the face, let alone kill thousands of innocent people for no reason, something needs to be done.

Hey, don't get me wrong. I do believe in punishment, but there are other ways of dealing with things than by fighting.

What are we supposed to do about a Terrist attack anyway? Force them into surrender? They knew that wouldnt happen. They go down kicking and screaming before they surrender. I would just clean up the mess, hold all those who we can attain accountable, and in this case issue a warning or threat to all others who would want to pursue on that action.

~ Crimson

The bottom line is this wasn't the first time this happened. Remember '93? (Maybe not) Either way, I do believe war was absolutely necessary, but I think we should have left a while ago, because now we really can't leave. When we got Saddam, and set up the Iraqi government, that was the time to leave. Now that we have stayed to make sure the new government works, we cannot leave.
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Thank God the UN doesn't govern the world by Martial Arts.

I'm sorry, but if somebody punches me in the face, let alone kill thousands of innocent people for no reason, something needs to be done.


It might be better if they did govern by some of the martial arts philsophies. They're way better than what I'm seeing now.

Funny. I thought we went into there to stop Saddam from using his thousands of high-quality WMDs against us, along with his Al Queda friends.

Except that there were no WMDs and the only terrorists he was funding were the Kurds of his own country. Most of the 9/11 terrorists came out of Saudi Arabia.

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The bottom line is this wasn't the first time this happened. Remember '93? (Maybe not)


Again, nothing to do with Iraq.

So, I guess you could say that I don't disagree with all of his policies, I disagree with a great deal of them. If you govern a country like ours (with the freedom of religion) by putting religious ideals over the welfare of the people, are willing to go to war on faulty intelligence, and expect to be able run said war and then give tax cuts to the rich of America, you aren't exactly a shining star of a President.
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Dec 28 2006, 03:14 AM
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Thank God the UN doesn't govern the world by Martial Arts.

I'm sorry, but if somebody punches me in the face, let alone kill thousands of innocent people for no reason, something needs to be done.


It might be better if they did govern by some of the martial arts philsophies. They're way better than what I'm seeing now.

Funny. I thought we went into there to stop Saddam from using his thousands of high-quality WMDs against us, along with his Al Queda friends.

Except that there were no WMDs and the only terrorists he was funding were the Kurds of his own country. Most of the 9/11 terrorists came out of Saudi Arabia.

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The bottom line is this wasn't the first time this happened. Remember '93? (Maybe not)


Again, nothing to do with Iraq.

So, I guess you could say that I don't disagree with all of his policies, I disagree with a great deal of them. If you govern a country like ours (with the freedom of religion) by putting religious ideals over the welfare of the people, are willing to go to war on faulty intelligence, and expect to be able run said war and then give tax cuts to the rich of America, you aren't exactly a shining star of a President.

That being said, if religious beliefs cross the line, which did indeed in this situation, actions need to be taken. And believe me, I believe we should have been out of Iraq long ago. But we needed to go to defend ourselves. I am not trying to defend Bush here, because he has had his faults, but I strongly believe any President who would have been put into Bush's situation would have acted similarly. Not necessarily better, not necessarily worse, because we will never know, but I think we would have gone to war regardless.

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The bottom line is this wasn't the first time this happened. Remember '93? (Maybe not)


Again, nothing to do with Iraq.


Uhh, yes it does. Saddam Hussein was behind the WTC attack back then as well.
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Uhh, yes it does. Saddam Hussein was behind the WTC attack back then as well.


The '93 attack was executed by a member of Al Queda and 5 co-conspirators. The main guy, Yousef, was trained in Al Queda camps and was originally planning to bomb Jewish neighborhoods before the plan was changed or something like that.

Speaking of which, both the 9/11 Commission and the Senate Committee on Intelligence found no evidence of Sadaam-Al Queda ties. So, uh, Sadaam was backing it?
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Dec 27 2006, 11:17 PM
Yes, to simplify my answer.

Looks like the media didn't sway my thinking to their liking, Astheria.

Depends which part of the media you turn to. Even the 3-4 different news channels you have are typically biased to conservative or liberal views, hell, here we have a channel that most of the liberals refuse to watch news on because the channel usually supports Bush and doesn't lay the war out to be some huge catastrophe wrought on us by Bush alone.
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True. Though, it seems that most people hate/are displeased with Bush. Truthfully, I've never seen any conservative news stations; or even people who will openly admit to supporting Bush, around here at least. Seems that my family are the only people in a 25 mile radius that support Bush.

People are morons around here, most just vote straight ticket; half don't know who the people they're voting for are, they just know the party.

Bottom line is I make my own decisions, I don't let others make it for me.
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Dec 28 2006, 01:18 PM
Bush's Soft Wood Tarriff on BC Lumber Cost my Family and Friends close to $36million in profit from the sale of soft wood to the United States Furniture companies.

Yikes. I'm assuming you voted No? =D c_;)
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No, Bush is a bad president.
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Nein. I don't agree with most of what he does. But I will wait until he leaves to see if my opinion changes.
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