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| Astheria | Dec 29 2006, 12:33 PM Post #76 |
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Let's say you have a low IQ, you don't know much about politics, but you watch the more liberally biased news channel which plays up the democratic party and down the republicans, it's subtle but it's there and noticible if you watch for it. All news channels and all sorts of publications play up that the only bad vote is a non-vote. Which in my opinion should be more the only bad vote is an uneducated vote, but that aside - all of those people who don't seek out proper unbiased information, who don't follow politics cast uneducated-media-driven votes. I just finished a class on this called Media Persuasion, it's part of my job. If the media told you Microsoft's Zune was the greatest thing ever and that iPod's weren't so hot I bet you the Zune would be doing a hell of a lot better.
Give me some sort of logic that he went to war because of his father and I'll credit you some credibility. But I'll give you some logic to back my opinion: If you were a child being bullied (9/11), and everyone has been in their lifetime, when you went to a teacher for what to do and they said 'just ignore it and they'll leave you alone' (the non-war, let's talk it over strategy) did it work? No. But when you went to a teacher and they took the bully to detention (showing them we won't sit idly when attacked) - he thought twice after that. If you'd rather allow the terrorists to reorganize, to plot, to find holes in whatever security system we put into place, they will eventually find one and exploit it. If you keep them on the run they'd be hard pressed to - I'd suggest you read the excellent and aforementioned Sun Tzu's Art of War. As for Donald Rumsfield and that Bush was not ready to be President, I remind you that congress voted us into this war - Bush alone cannot choose that path - Bush alone cannot send more troops in or bring them home. So as for pointing fingers, you can blame all the senators that voted yes along with Bush and Rumsfield. The government is a system of checks and balances, so stop saying one branch is responsible for all the bad things when the other two branches could have checked him. @ 0uTk4sT, this is not personally directed at you, just at the discussion and points you brought up.
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| calico131 | Dec 29 2006, 01:15 PM Post #77 |
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Damn Astheria. Your good. I def might have learned few things in there. GJ. |
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| intoxicated. | Dec 29 2006, 01:28 PM Post #78 |
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why isn't there a "</care>" option?
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| 0uTk4sT | Dec 29 2006, 02:02 PM Post #79 |
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Actually, i thought we weren't even at war when it started That's why Bush was in trouble with congress and the supreme court. ![]() And for the whole terrorist thing...Iraq had no terrorist when Saddam was in control. He ruled with an iron fist...and he let no body else even have remotely as much power as him. The 9/11 attack was from Afganistan ( can't spell :'( ) and Osama, so why do you think we even had a vaild reason to attack Iraq and remove Saddam? As for the media thing...nothing can ever be unbiased, and you know that thats not going to change. ![]() BTW, with the whole senetors and voting for Bush and Donald...Bush could have gotten rid of him at any time, and he never did. He waited for him to resign... ![]() "They are appointed by and serve at the pleasure of the head of government; they are strongly subordinate to the executive and can be replaced at any time" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cabinet works wonders
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| Astheria | Dec 29 2006, 02:33 PM Post #80 |
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Why do you think we even had a valid reason to remove Hitler from power when it was Japan who attacked us? Terrorists are a network, they are not one country. Certain political leaders in countries are active with terrorist organizations or support them. North Korea is not a nuclear threat to the US because they possess them, they are a threat because their government would be willing to sell them or the technology on the black market.
I'm not belittling Rumsfield or Bush's decision to stick by him till he resigned, I'm saying that congress is just as much to blame. |
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| darth blade | Dec 29 2006, 02:45 PM Post #81 |
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I agree. I don't support him at all >_> ~blade |
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| calico131 | Dec 29 2006, 02:55 PM Post #82 |
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Iraq harbored terrorists. Iraq was a safe place for terrorists evading the us. That is why we invaded Iraq. |
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| 0uTk4sT | Dec 29 2006, 03:07 PM Post #83 |
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Wrong. We invaded Iraq because we suspected they had nuclear weapons or plans to make them, and sell them to terrorists. Although they never did any of that. North Korea on the other hand both makes and sells nuclear weapons to anyone with money. Iraq even let us go in and look around for the supposed nuclear weapons, and we never found any. So why did we invade Iraq, but do nothing to North Korea? And why aren't we focusing on the man that planned 9/11? In general, even if Iraq had terrorists, it wasn't their fault that 9/11 happened. So why did we go after them? @ Astheria - I know exactly where your coming from now. The media does focus in on choice issues and blows them out of proportion. True, Bush isn't as bad as we think he is, it's just that the media is getting better at making our opinions for us. There have been alot of things that he has done that are good and would make him look like a better president in the eyes of the public, but no one will ever hear of these is they only watch the news. Now, i know it's kind of wierd that i'm sorta defending Bush, but even though i said he did good things, he's also done bad things. He just doesn't know how to be subtle i guess lol poor guy
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| Wisp | Dec 29 2006, 05:07 PM Post #84 |
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Congress is not to blame, because they recieved misinformation from Bush. America's intelligence failure is to blame. Had Congress known that Iraq was irrelevant to combating international terrorism, and was not a threat, the result of their vote would have been dramatically different. Now, we are in the middle of a conflict with no possible outcome, because of a president who had poor information (or possibly created it) and a lack of ability to conduct a large scale military operation. |
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| Astheria | Dec 29 2006, 05:45 PM Post #85 |
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For that intel to have been fabricated would represent a conspiracy greater than the Watergate Scandal - so I highly doubt it. |
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| Ahmed A. | Dec 29 2006, 05:53 PM Post #86 |
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Oil. |
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| Astheria | Dec 29 2006, 05:53 PM Post #87 |
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Your logic? Proof? |
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| Ahmed A. | Dec 29 2006, 05:56 PM Post #88 |
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Logic: Iraq has a lot of oil, America is a bit short on oil at the moment. Proof: I'm pretty sure it's out there but I don't want to search, this was a mere suggestion, I apologize for making it sound like a fact. My theory is that oil is one of the factors leading to the invasion. |
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| 0uTk4sT | Dec 29 2006, 05:57 PM Post #89 |
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I have read stories about how we went after Iraq to keep our ties with the oil tycoons in the east. Mostly because China is getting closer to becoming a mainstream industrial country (revolution...lol). But even if that were the case, how could you prove it? |
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| Ahmed A. | Dec 29 2006, 05:58 PM Post #90 |
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I can't. Life is not fair. |
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That's why Bush was in trouble with congress and the supreme court. 




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