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Scientology; what do you think
Topic Started: Jan 12 2007, 06:42 PM (908 Views)
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Ross
Jan 13 2007, 06:35 AM
First off, thank you for responding sensibly. This is the kind of stuff I like to see in Brain Juice ^_^

I agree whole-heartedly. It's high time we had a serious discussion on this matter without resorting to insults. However, if I do ramble on at some points, just ignore it. I'm kinda tired. :lol:

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Christ is God in the flesh nature of man. This is seen in Colossians:

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For God in all his fullness was pleased to live in Christ, and by him God reconciled everything to himself." -Colossians 1:19

I know, the bible spoke of Jesus being not only the son of God, but God himself. A living paradox. But I ask you this question, if God himself was the son of man, why was he tempted by Satan? Was it the fact that his human body also brought him human emotion and the ability to doubt himself, or was it just a part of Yahweh in Jesus' body?

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The reason some were put in the Bible and others were left out is simply due to the process of canon. In order to determine what the inspired word of God was they had to make sure the books didn’t contradict each other.

But these other gospels were the teachings of early Christians. To remove their versions of the good news would have made countless deaths irrelevant and pointless. Besides, a broader view of Jesus, his lifestyle and his teachings would have made him more three dimensional - and in my personal opinion - Godlike.



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Judas’s “gospel” is clearly Gnostic which means it is heresy. Just because it says, “Gospel of Judas” doesn’t mean it is in anyway in alignment with God’s teachings. That is why we had steps to determine what went in the Bible.

Now it all depends on your take on the Bible. Do you take the stories figuratively or literally? In my opinion, Judas' Gospel should be recognized as a legitimate gospel. Sure, it would cause outrage now if it was put back in, but I'd like to see his transition from "Ultimate Disciple" to "Ultimate Betrayer" throughout the new testament.

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Well remember, it isn’t faith in God but in Christ. Yes, Christ is the human embodiment of God but just saying ‘I believe in a God” isn’t Christianity. It is faith in Christ to redeem you from sin.

I know, it's faith in God, faith in christ, faith in your church and your beliefs. But how can you say that you truly believe in christ? There was once a point where I used to believe in Jesus, and for the most part, I still do act quite Christian - to an extent. But it's easy to loose faith when things go from bad, to worse, to bottom of the barrel. For instance, I could sit here now and say that one day I will find God once more, but I doubt it.

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And yes it personally makes me calm, but that’s just because I have accepted the Christian life isn’t one of meadows and pretty flowers but one of persecution and suffering.

Y'know, I get a similar feeling from my atheistic beliefs. Knowing that life is pointless, short and that our entire planet is nothing to the universe is kind of calming to me. Depressing at first, but when you think about it for a while...

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You don’t know that because if you were the same as an animal who knows what you would be thinking :lol:

Okay, let's end this point right here before we end up going through alternative realities where we've been overrun by gigantic, hyper-intelligent mole people. :lol:

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You hate religion because all creatures aren’t the same?

You totally took that quote out of context. What I was trying to say was that it makes people feel special and superior to everything else in the world. Yes, we're smarter and the most dominant species, I'm not questioning that, but, would our planet be in the mess that it's in now if most religions taught us that we are equal to the animals around us?

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Such is the nature of prideful humans. All of us get prideful, it is evident in most all people that identify with any group.

Basic animal instinct brushed over with complex human thoughts and words. ;)

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Scripture to support that?

Scripture? Dude, throughout the entire new testament the uber-jews were always plotting against Christ and his claims to be the Messiah.

(NOTE: If anyone's jewish, don't be offended by me saying uber-jew... I just can't remember then names of them fellers.)

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Because he was…

Swings and roundabouts, mate. The earliest of the four gospels has him down as a sorrowful, mislead disciple. Whereas, another has him as the human incarnation of evil.

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I didn’t call life a petty issue, I called “wondering why we are different from animals” a petty issue.

Really? I think that's one of the greatest issues we as a species have to face. We are practically the gods of this planet. What we say goes. We need to look after these animals, keep them from extinction and look after the planet because we're gonna be on it for a long time...

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We are very different from animals in how we deal with morality, and other issues. I think God has set humans aside from animals. You don’t have to believe that, but I do.

Early man learned how to use tools. The rest is literally history.

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That’s not how God makes himself known to me. I also know you won’t understand my personal spiritual life because it isn’t really meant to be shared or understood.

Personal beliefs, man. Don't worry about it, it's a respectable trait.
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You totally took that quote out of context. What I was trying to say was that it makes people feel special and superior to everything else in the world. Yes, we're smarter and the most dominant species, I'm not questioning that, but, would our planet be in the mess that it's in now if most religions taught us that we are equal to the animals around us?
Religion teaches us to be good to the environment and to treat animals well. It's not God's fault that Man didn't listen.

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Scripture? Dude, throughout the entire new testament the uber-jews were always plotting against Christ and his claims to be the Messiah.

How is that antisemitic? By the way Jesus son of Mary was a Jew.

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Swings and roundabouts, mate. The earliest of the four gospels has him down as a sorrowful, mislead disciple. Whereas, another has him as the human incarnation of evil.

That is why I can't be a Christian, too many Gospels. I believe the original was lost when they where picking from the 30 Gospels. Anyway, either way Judas is the bad guy. He betrayed Jesus. I've read some parts of the Gospel of Judas where he says that Jesus told him to betray him and I just don't buy it.

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Really? I think that's one of the greatest issues we as a species have to face. We are practically the gods of this planet. What we say goes. We need to look after these animals, keep them from extinction and look after the planet because we're gonna be on it for a long time...

You are right, the fact itself is a great issue, but why the fact is, is not a great issue. At least that is what I think Ross was trying to say.
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Jan 13 2007, 09:54 AM
Religion teaches us to be good to the environment and to treat animals well. It's not God's fault that Man didn't listen.

Maybe so, but it also tells people that they're special. Now adding that to human pride is a bit of lethal combination. For instance; I was watching an old episode of Top Gear last week, and the Star in a Reasonably Priced Car segment had on Sanjeev Bhaskar (Click for Segment). Anyway, there's a bit in there - although used as satire - kinda hits home about this point.

"My god will protect me, and if it's my day to die, it's my day to die."
"What about the guy that you hit?"
"Well it's his day to die, too."

People pollute the environment, without thinking twice of the repercussions on the next Generation. Now, I'm not blaming it all on those who believe in god, but the belief of being special, and the belief in an afterlife are definitely major factors in this.

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How is that antisemitic? By the way Jesus son of Mary was a Jew.

I know he was, but what about his Disciples? Anyway. Let's not stray from the point in question. By "Uber-Jew" I didn't mean your average Jew, I meant the guys above the Rabbis. Y'know? The ones that hated Jesus more than the Romans.

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That is why I can't be a Christian, too many Gospels. I believe the original was lost when they where picking from the 30 Gospels. Anyway, either way Judas is the bad guy. He betrayed Jesus. I've read some parts of the Gospel of Judas where he says that Jesus told him to betray him and I just don't buy it.

Everyone loves a bad guy, right? Then again, what if the other gospels were wrong? What if Judas actually was innocent? As the decades passed and new gospels were written after being passed down from mouth to mouth he ended up becoming the bad guy and becoming this epitome of evil he's remembered as today? That my friend, is something worth thinking about.

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You are right, the fact itself is a great issue, but why the fact is, is not a great issue. At least that is what I think Ross was trying to say.

Questioning the why's and how's of everything is what mankind's most profound thinkers have been doing since time began. That is how we've evolved, and this is how we must evolve. As a people, we need to work together to understand the mysteries of our past to even fathom the possibilities of our future. For instance, one day no matter how far away God will either be proved or disproved. In all likelihood, all races will probably merge into one. Do you think this would be good? Finally having an answer to one of the biggest questions in our history, then putting an end to any form of racism? Or would it be catastrophic. Humanity losing control in denial of mortality and their loss of individuality. Judging from our past, I can take a good guess at what I think would be right.
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Jan 12 2007, 10:42 PM
currently ive been doing research of something called scientology
what is this scientology?

heres an wiki article on scientology and the offical website

Wiki scientology

Scientology offical webpage

i think its a scamm and people who want your money
its kinda a fraud as you see between both webpages there kinda different
if you look at wikipedia reviews about scientology you know what i mean
on the offical webpage they say youll have a better life if you do scientology


so what do you all think about scientology and also talk about some of the urls i posted too

ok lets discuss

Scientology is a business just like McDonalds, and Tom Cruise is they're version of Michael Jordan. I would have no problem except that they actually charge people money to join the religion. That's stealing in my opinion. Despite the fact that they're leader, L. Ron Hubbard (not sure bout the spelling for that) was a sci-fi writer (and a good one at that), I have no problem with it but they charge people money to join.

No offense to any Scientologists.
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yes maybe so
so many articles are around thinking this is all a fraud
yes i have heard that thing about tom cruise and scientology
remember that marrage with that girl idk her name but tom cruise said
the only way to marry me is to like be a scientologist as a religon
now if i was the girl i would take a lot of offence in that
cause you cant really switch religons if you dont want to
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HEY! Stop making fun of my religion! Just cuz its differnt doesnt mean its bad!!!!

Scientology 4 life
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Jan 15 2007, 07:33 PM
HEY! Stop making fun of my religion! Just cuz its differnt doesnt mean its bad!!!!

Scientology 4 life

No...
It is bad. If you really believe in this religion you should go into another one...now. I agree with Ross, scientology is one of a very few religions I will say is flat-out wrong, and not to mention demented. No one should be a part of that cult.
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tell me how is it bad! I pay them money and i get happy

Your demented!
Its not a cult!
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Jan 15 2007, 07:48 PM
Your demented!
Its not a cult!

If you honestly think that Scientology is alright then I suggest that you do some more research into the subject. :ermm:

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tell me how is it bad! I pay them money and i get happy

Well... you pay them money.
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Whats wrong money?
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Googling it will tell you. If you can't figure out which link to click on then start with this one.

http://www.xenu.net/

The cult is obviously a scam, whether its evil or not is debateable but it is certainly immoral.
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Jan 15 2007, 11:06 PM
Whats wrong money?

One should not have to pay to get spiritual satisfaction and faith from their religion, and don't go off telling people they're demented when you don't even know what the word means. Vader worshiper.
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HE CALLED ME DEMENTED!
I can spend my money how i want to!
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Jan 15 2007, 11:15 PM
HE CALLED ME DEMENTED!
I can spend my money how i want to!

No he didn't, he called Scientology demented. But you, apparently, can't read since you've been in the Death Star too long. Also, you can spend your money the way you want but we can express our opinions on the way you do so the way we want.
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Jan 15 2007, 03:20 PM
But you, apparently, can't read since you've been in the Death Star too long.

i believe this is "ad hominem" attack.
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