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Scientology; what do you think
Topic Started: Jan 12 2007, 06:42 PM (907 Views)
Ahmed A.
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ivnkplng
Jan 15 2007, 11:29 PM
Ahmed A.
Jan 15 2007, 03:20 PM
But you, apparently, can't read since you've been in the Death Star too long.

i believe this is "ad hominem" attack.

Yeah. You are right. Except I'm not debating (as I was with you earlier, you seem intelligent enough even if you've gone a bit wacky at the end of our debate) but I'm n00b bashing. Plus, he said SH called him demented while SH didn't, therefore he is either lying or can't read properly, I gave him the benefit of the doubt.
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Ahmed A.
Jan 15 2007, 03:37 PM
you seem intelligent enough even if you've gone a bit wacky at the end of our debate

sorry for going "wacky". i just get a little excited when i read posts promoting ideals that get people killed, but this not a thread on that topic, so i won't go into it again.
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dunno what to say umm i think i know some1 who follows that religion well believes it or sometin i dunno
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ok go bankrupt and poor maybe you might learn a lesssion from something that people can make you cough money so hey your religon spend your money
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You must have some sort of mental illness to be that gullible and stupid to believe such a pathetic attempt at a scam.
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Just as crazy as christianity.
I hate it, along with all religion.

Though, I don't hate the concept of religion and the people that believe in it.
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Jan 17 2007, 07:01 AM
Just as crazy as christianity.
I hate it, along with all religion.

Though, I don't hate the concept of religion and the people that believe in it.

Although I'm not Christian, Christianity is no where near as stupid as Scientology. Christianity doesn't require you to believe in aliens taking over our bodies and volcanos destroying the earth and Xenu and Theta and all that crap.
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well scientology is one of those fake religons
its not offical
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Now...people are scared of reality, they decide to make a religion...a religion full of fake lies, tensions, love and happiness. They are scared of life, and, in fear, seek happiness through fear. But, can we all be happy behind the shield of fear? 'Course not. It is like all religions. We don’t know the truth behind it. Yet, so many people go with it. :/

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Apparently it was created by the ideas of a science fiction author how is that a basis to believe in it? The creator of scientolgy was an author who also centered on mental health, in that sense wouldn't he have some ability to make people believe something is true? Yeah, authors bring people in and share their views, in creating scientolgy it's basically the same thing. I wouldn't even consider it a religion, it looks more like an idea that has been turned into something like a religion, a 'cult' so to speak. :ermm:
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yea ron hubbard

also is there any proof if this is a religon take for instance the bible
does it have history just like the bible
were there anyone that made things good for the world we live in today such as god who created earth or jesus
does it draw back history from 10,000,000,000,000 B.C to today
thats some questions to show proof that it is something
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Ahmed A.
Jan 17 2007, 08:55 AM
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Jan 17 2007, 07:01 AM
Just as crazy as christianity.
I hate it, along with all religion.

Though, I don't hate the concept of religion and the people that believe in it.

Although I'm not Christian, Christianity is no where near as stupid as Scientology. Christianity doesn't require you to believe in aliens taking over our bodies and volcanos destroying the earth and Xenu and Theta and all that crap.

Christians believe in creationism, isn't that just as crazy if you think about it? We only see christianity as a norm because we are so used to hearing about it. But if you were just told about crhistianity, you'd be just as weirded out. Christians blame Adams arrogance for eating an apple for all the indecencies and wrongness, for lack of a better word, in the world.

Don't tell me that's not crazy.
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carrots123
Jan 17 2007, 11:10 PM
yea ron hubbard

also is there any proof if this is a religon take for instance the bible
does it have history just like the bible
were there anyone that made things good for the world we live in today such as god who created earth or jesus
does it draw back history from 10,000,000,000,000 B.C to today
thats some questions to show proof that it is something

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Religion is the adherence to codified beliefs and rituals that generally involve a faith in a spiritual nature and a study of inherited ancestral traditions, knowledge and wisdom related to understanding human life. The term "religion" refers to both the personal practices related to faith as well as to the larger shared systems of belief.

Sociologists and anthropologists see religion as an abstract set of ideas, values, or experiences developed as part of a cultural matrix. Primitive religion was indistinguishable from the sociocultural acts where custom and ritual defined an emotional reality.

Other religious scholars have put forward a definition of religion that avoids the reductionism of the various sociological and psychological disciplines that relegate religion to its component factors. Religion may be defined as the presence of a belief in the sacred or the holy. For example Rudolf Otto's "The Idea of the Holy," formulated in 1917, defines the essence of religious awareness as awe, a unique blend of fear and fascination before the divine. Friedrich Schleiermacher in the late 18th century defined religion as a "feeling of absolute dependence."

It's all quite fluid and uncertain, though there are general grounds many agree on. A religion needs no actual history; the Bible was coined over a period of time, and most religions sprung up then developed and evolved. None of them had history prior to their creation, naturally, so it's really irrelevant. A religion has to start somewhere and it's usually down to an idea or an individual.

In that sense Scientology can be considered a religion, even if it is decedant, corrupt, materialistic and supposedly founded with the intent to make money. It can also be considered a cult but the only real difference between a religion and a cult is that the latter is proclaimed to be so by the former because they consider it unorthodox and wish to reclaim its followers through media-hyped desecration of the cult's image. In its broader sense, all religions are cults and vice versa. But these are mere words.

Personally I'm not bothered about Scientology anymore than I am Christianity, Judaism or Satanism. Hubbard may have founded Scientology for money's sake (not over a bet though; the rumour has never been proven true) but I think he in turn pointed out the fallacy behind religious masses or perhaps more directly, the flaws in humans uniting under a single banner so vehemently (this applies to non-religious ideals too). In doing so he managed to effectively exploit humanity's inclination to believe in something greater, a feat that is by no means new, yet people revile far more when a religion is blatently false than they do if it is, in its definition opposite to cult above, a "true religion". That all aside, people should be free to do as they wish with their time and money, and allign themselves to whatever set of beliefs and/or entity they wish.

I'd also point out that it's not theft. Theft is the taking of (in this case) money without someone's permission. Scientologists give it willingly. It's no more theft than a donation given to any other Church; the fact that it's a must and that it's essential to ascend levels doesn't alter the choice one has in handing it over. If people want to talk about theft, look to the histories of the religious empires and prefectures who plundered villages and towns in the name of their god and sat fat upon rich thrones in fine houses with no care for their oppressed people.
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punk-emo-rocker
Jan 18 2007, 07:04 AM
Ahmed A.
Jan 17 2007, 08:55 AM
punk-emo-rocker
Jan 17 2007, 07:01 AM
Just as crazy as christianity.
I hate it, along with all religion.

Though, I don't hate the concept of religion and the people that believe in it.

Although I'm not Christian, Christianity is no where near as stupid as Scientology. Christianity doesn't require you to believe in aliens taking over our bodies and volcanos destroying the earth and Xenu and Theta and all that crap.

Christians believe in creationism, isn't that just as crazy if you think about it? We only see christianity as a norm because we are so used to hearing about it. But if you were just told about crhistianity, you'd be just as weirded out. Christians blame Adams arrogance for eating an apple for all the indecencies and wrongness, for lack of a better word, in the world.

Don't tell me that's not crazy.

I believe in Creationism too, so that part isn't crazy to me. I see no reason why God couldn't have been the One behind the Big Bang (I also believe in it) As for Adam, I don't think eating the apple is the the proverbial "Pandora's Box" Christians make it out to be. All of sin and misery would have existed anyway but Adam eating the apple just landed us on Earth. Getting back on topic, although I do not share all of its beliefs, those of Chistianity don't seem crazy to me. Or at least not as crazy as Scientology.
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yea i dont think alien invasions distruction erupting volcanoes and other things that can destroy man kind is kinda not a realigon
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