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Topic Started: Apr 24 2007, 01:43 PM (2,257 Views)
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My cousin in Ontario, recently told me that in 2010 or something, the old style lightbulbs will be illegal.

I really do not see a major difference between the two, but i guess the environment does.
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People, Leave .Geeko alone ok. He is simply putting forward his views and you are throwing them back into his face saying "You are wrong". Even though he may have made a few mistakes in his posts he doesn't deserve to be picked up on them.

We will die from global warming eventually anyway so I don't see why we should go out of our way now to correct our mistakes, If we did do something then possibly we can add another 100 or so years onto our life span.
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.Sergio
May 1 2007, 01:14 PM
People, Leave .Geeko alone ok. He is simply putting forward his views and you are throwing them back into his face saying "You are wrong". Even though he may have made a few mistakes in his posts he doesn't deserve to be picked up on them.

We will die from global warming eventually anyway so I don't see why we should go out of our way now to correct our mistakes, If we did do something then possibly we can add another 100 or so years onto our life span.

It's a debate, people argue in debates. It's not being picked on, it is stating your views.

We will not die from global warming, at least no time soon. If anything of natural causes, we will die from an ice age.

It's a matter of things we cannot control anymore. The oil industry starting years, years ago. You can't point fingers at those who cannot tell the future, because no one can. And now, we can't just stop oil sales in the U.S., because not only would that almost crash the economy, but millions of Americans would be in an uproar. This goes the same for other countries. We are taking steps to solve this, you can't expect everything to happen at once. News flash: it can't.
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It's only a debate if you actually debate the topic. If people are being called idiots for their views and posts, then it stops being a debate.


people have nothing to do with this warming trend we have been having for the past decades. Nothing at all. The level of CO2 we put out is miniscule compared to that of the ocean and volcanoes. The ice caps found in the North and South poles of Mars are melting as well, satellites have been observing this for years. Mars has a population of 0 and a man-made CO2 output level of.... 0 . There is warming of the globe, there is no Global Warming, no Inconvenient Truth. The only inconvenient truth is that humans have nothing to do with this warming trend, but if some politician were to say that nowadays they would get burned for it.
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Lol, I've read the first 10 or so posts and I just can't take this seriously any longer.


The planet's existance will only end when our sun explodes (aka a nova)
Global warming doesn't cause the earth to end you dolt... It makes it hotter. If you truly think you're beleifs are correct, I urge you to take a peeky at this:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4499562022478442170
I know it was just posted in a topic yesterday, but it completely changed my outlook on global warming.
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We'll adapt to the heat so no worries. Isn't that what evolution is all about? Sure I would prefer having a winter and I save energy whenever I can but I'm not really worried. Once I've passed on it's not my problem anymore.
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This is what happens, one person sees "An Inconvenient Truth" and thinks they are a genius.


edit: Cracker made me lol, in a good way.
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Bry
May 1 2007, 08:01 PM
Lol, I've read the first 10 or so posts and I just can't take this seriously any longer.


The planet's existance will only end when our sun explodes (aka a nova)
Global warming doesn't cause the earth to end you dolt... It makes it hotter. If you truly think you're beleifs are correct, I urge you to take a peeky at this:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4499562022478442170
I know it was just posted in a topic yesterday, but it completely changed my outlook on global warming.

And the message continues to spread! ^_^

Maybe I should post this on some other boards too. O_o
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.Andy
May 1 2007, 08:59 PM
It's only a debate if you actually debate the topic. If people are being called idiots for their views and posts, then it stops being a debate.


people have nothing to do with this warming trend we have been having for the past decades. Nothing at all. The level of CO2 we put out is miniscule compared to that of the ocean and volcanoes. The ice caps found in the North and South poles of Mars are melting as well, satellites have been observing this for years. Mars has a population of 0 and a man-made CO2 output level of.... 0 . There is warming of the globe, there is no Global Warming, no Inconvenient Truth. The only inconvenient truth is that humans have nothing to do with this warming trend, but if some politician were to say that nowadays they would get burned for it.

Do you have any evidence to support that? The huge majority of the scientific community agrees that Global Warming is a man made issue.

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We'll adapt to the heat so no worries. Isn't that what evolution is all about? Sure I would prefer having a winter and I save energy whenever I can but I'm not really worried. Once I've passed on it's not my problem anymore.


Evolution occurs over millions of years, and the Earth is heating up at a much faster rate. But it's simply ignorant to think that Global Warming is the apocalypse. However, it will cost us if we don't take steps to fix the problem.

This is our generation's problem, because we created it. It would be immoral to dump it on future generations, when it may be impossible to reverse. We have a short period of time to act, where the process can be slowed down, and save us a lot of heartache. It takes simple sacrifices from every day people, that in the end, are far less then what we may have to eventually make.
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May 1 2007, 09:19 PM

Do you have any evidence to support that? The huge majority of the scientific community agrees that Global Warming is a man made issue.

Yes, I do. I posted a video in the Global Warming Brain Juice thread, and in here, I think on the previous page. It's long, but it provides evidence to why Al Gore's, and "majority of the scientific community" (which they also talk about), theory is wrong.
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.Andy
May 1 2007, 09:55 PM
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May 1 2007, 09:19 PM

Do you have any evidence to support that? The huge majority of the scientific community agrees that Global Warming is a man made issue.

Yes, I do. I posted a video in the Global Warming Brain Juice thread, and in here, I think on the previous page. It's long, but it provides evidence to why Al Gore's, and "majority of the scientific community" (which they also talk about), theory is wrong.

http://environment.guardian.co.uk/climatec...2032572,00.html
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Well, that is a persuasive article, but I had some issues with it.

1. He (Is it a he? I wasn't sure) says that the Sun Spot theory has been proven wrong, I'm sure it has if he said it in the article. He doesn't give any sources though, I'd be interested to see the data.

2. He also says that the Sun Spot theory was construed in the film to be the main source of heating for the earth. But the main focus of the film is to show how global warming is a ) A natural process involving CO2 B ) man made CO2 is not the source of global warming, thus there being nothing to worry about.

3. He is also suggesting that very notable scientists, experts in their field, all said things on the tape, but really meant the opposite. I find that extremely hard to believe, even if they apparantly thought they were talking about something else, they still said what they said. The Co founder of Green Peace speaks in the film, talking about how rediculous the dooms day global warming theory is.

4. He made no argument against the film's rejection of Al Gore's documentary data, and their explanation on why his interpritations of the data found in the polar ice caps is incorrect.

My final take on this argument, though it may just be because I agree with the film, is that whoever wrote the article found a weak link in the film's argument and exploited it as a means to discredit the entire film, while in reality he only was citing one specific part of the film.

Edit: I'd also like to say this: I'm sure that neither views are entirely correct in any respect. If anything this video shows that the entire concept is more complicated than Al Gore, and these other scientists/writers ect claim it to be.

Also, I messed up something and got a smilee face. My bad :P
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May 1 2007, 07:15 PM
.Sergio
May 1 2007, 01:14 PM
People, Leave .Geeko alone ok. He is simply putting forward his views and you are throwing them back into his face saying "You are wrong". Even though he may have made a few mistakes in his posts he doesn't deserve to be picked up on them.

We will die from global warming eventually anyway so I don't see why we should go out of our way now to correct our mistakes, If we did do something then possibly we can add another 100 or so years onto our life span.

It's a debate, people argue in debates. It's not being picked on, it is stating your views.

So, stabbing me for my general views makes it OK?


Just because Al Gore made the "An Inconvenient Truth" (*.Geeko sniggers at the name) doesn't make it fact-filled. It merely has enough evidence.
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Whilst there is an ongoing climate shift, a rapid one at that, the only problem I have with taking in what's coming from the science community as absolute fact (or at least utterly legitimate theorisation) is that the majority of these so-called leading experts are either employed by governments and companies or are in some way connected with echelons that have much to gain by making people believe human activity is accountable for a significant portion of global warming. Much as I'm generally scientifically minded, it's difficult to be assured that these people aren't mere puppets. Integrity is not exactly thriving within humanity at the moment. :/

I’m still not totally convinced that global warming is such a strange occurrence or that somehow by cutting down on the fuels we waste we can stop what’s happening. I do think we should anyway because our waste is killing the environment in other ways but looking at the history of the planet and the theories regarding the vast changes it’s undergone, both in geology and climate, I can’t help but think this is yet another extreme shift in climate that may or may not be accelerated by human activities. If so, our cutting down only means we slow down (assuming it’s not too late and that we contribute significantly towards acceleration) the inevitable outcome, in which case we should be changing our ways less because of scare mongering and more because the environment is due a little protection by the only sentient species who have abused it so terribly, and look towards surviving the growing dangers this climate change may produce.

The trouble is that this is only the beginning of our real studies. There might be data from times gone by but the study of the current climate change issue is relatively new and to jump on the band wagon and say man is contributing to the death of the planet (in this particular fashion) is pure hysteria. That said, I keep an open mind to it all – I don’t deny the climate is changing, I merely question why. It’s easy to denounce the change or charge humanity as being the big bad guys because man tends to be at the forefront when it comes to screwing up but the world has undergone dramatic changes that were cataclysmic to anything living at the time without us. Species go extinct without our help, the continents have malformed and altered regardless of our presence, flora has come and gone, and climates have undergone periods of incredible metamorphosis that altered the world. It’s not far fetched to think that this is a natural episode with man also contributing to it but to what extent is questionable.

And as articulate and well argued as George Monibot is he lacks credibility. I’ve followed his work for some time and he’s getting worse and worse in his manner of style. One of the replies to his article puts it quite well: “George preaches to the converted, antagonises the Luddites and somehow in the process misses the opportunity to address the unconverted.” That said, Channel 4 (like most mainstream media) isn’t something that should be taken seriously. It produces interesting documentaries but they tend to pander to sensationalists and people looking for controversy. They’re like a brand of Michael Moore; good to watch if you have time to waste but not worth taking seriously. I agree with what he’s said about C4 (if quality were more important, they would have died off years ago) but I can’t say I’m swayed by his arguments.
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LMAO. You Conservatives make me laugh. Prettier. Always presuming, and never thinking. Our governments are brain washing us. They aren't doing anything at all. Europe is arguably the only section of the world that's taking action. All other nations couldn't care less.

So, you don't want to change a lght bulb, just because of the reasons you've stated. You'd rather pick comfort over saving this damned planet? You would rather allow these idiotic government officials try to solve problems with their ten. twenty, and hundred step plans, while we sit here guzzling fuel?

You don't seem to comprehend how severe of a problem this really is. If we don't fix this bloody problem in a matter of years, meaning three to five years, we're all DEAD. This means that you, and everyone you know is going to die a slow, and painful death. Everything you've worked for is going to be gone. This entire planet is going to be gone. We, as a human race, will be gone. All your money will be gone. All of these governments will be gone. Everything will be gone, if we don't fix this problem NOW. Governments aren't going to help us. Everything is a business, and depends on money. Even the government. All they care about is money. Just because it isn't going to hit you tomorrow, doesn't mean it won't jump back around and hit you the next.

Imagine if you know the exact day of Judgement Day. A million nuclear warheads were going to rain upon the entire planet, and we all knew the exact date. What would you do? Try to stop it? Change your life? Stop working? It would have a big effect. Wouldn't it? Especially if it were to happen in a few years, or months, or days. Same thing with Global Warming. It's just that the way it's portrayed isn't effecting people the same way.

If we don't stop it now, Global Warming will be the equivilant of a full scale nuclear attack on this entire planet. Simularity? We're all dead. No escaping it.

So while your trying to decide which light bulb looks better in your hundred thousand dollar dining room, I'll be making a conscience effort to save this planet before it's too late/

You're an idiot, and I don't need to elaborate.

I think that's all that needs to be said. Why not get some facts straight? Al Gore uses 20 times the National Average on energy in his home so why should the average joe change a lightbulb?

Im sick of all this bull****, alarmist propaganda being spu'd about "OMG THE WORLD IS GONNA END!!".

No. It isnt. You may be suprised to find that humans dont change the climate, but do you know what does? The Sun. Never woulda thought of that would you, I mean, all the sun does is give off heat so how could that warm the earth up :o

Ever heard of the Holocene Maximum? It was a period where the Earth was a hell of alot warmer than it was now. Guess what? We survived.

Get a grip.

Edit: I just read Crackers post, haha, nice one mate :D
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