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Gun Laws
Topic Started: May 16 2007, 02:25 AM (817 Views)
ēnērgy
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What do you think of the gun laws in the US?

I am on the side that, if there was less gun control, for example VTU outlawing CCW on campus, that people in the campus with permits could have been armed and shot the attacker.
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Monty-Po
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ēnērgy
May 15 2007, 10:25 PM
What do you think of the gun laws in the US?

I am on the side that, if there was less gun control, for example VTU outlawing CCW on campus, that people in the campus with permits could have been armed and shot the attacker.

There is still murder laws.
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ēnērgy
May 16 2007, 06:25 AM
What do you think of the gun laws in the US?

I am on the side that, if there was less gun control, for example VTU outlawing CCW on campus, that people in the campus with permits could have been armed and shot the attacker.

I'm on the side that, if there was more gun control, then the VTech massacre would never have happened and NOBODY needed to die.
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There should be less-restrictive and more restrictive gun control laws at the same time. People always pick a side on every issue and rarely realize that the best thing to do is combine the best of both worlds rather than trump one position as "right" and the other as "wrong".
I think anyone over 18 should be able to purchase a gun. If there are any reports filed against them for things such as psychological unstability, they should not be able to purchase one until they are cleared by a psyche examiner. It should be a major offense for both the customer and the salesperson to have any illegal transactions here. It might also be good to require a mandatory psyche exam within a certain amount of time of purchase of the weapon. If you disarm the public, the public enemy tends to become more dangerous. The problem at VT was that there was no one to fight back.
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I support loose, but not non-existent, gun laws. I just think that making it really hard to legally obtain a weapon mostly hurts the law abiding citizens not the criminals. Someone who has the intent to kill likely does not care if he gets the gun through legal means, whereas someone who owns one strictly for self defense probably would and with more gun laws are less likely to have one at all. I also support background checks in addition to more thorough maintenance of people's background records. Cho had a background check, but none of the problems on his record showed up - that is a problem to me much more so than any gun law.
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Lugiatm
May 16 2007, 06:38 AM
ēnērgy
May 16 2007, 06:25 AM
What do you think of the gun laws in the US?

I am on the side that, if there was less gun control, for example VTU outlawing CCW on campus, that people in the campus with permits could have been armed and shot the attacker.

I'm on the side that, if there was more gun control, then the VTech massacre would never have happened and NOBODY needed to die.

If someone is hellbent on killing a group, or just one single person, they will find a means of obtaining a gun. Crime syndicates, and illegal merchants provide common guns, and assault riffles.
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i'm from the uk so i was pretty shocked to learn you could walk into wal-mart and buy a gun... in the uk that's just unthinkable. i keep asking why people in the US even need a gun and get its for protection purposes... but what i dont get is protection from what? another gun? i find it insane the US even has such a thing as a gun shop. its crazy.
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ultimazz
May 16 2007, 07:52 PM
i'm from the uk so i was pretty shocked to learn you could walk into wal-mart and buy a gun... in the uk that's just unthinkable. i keep asking why people in the US even need a gun and get its for protection purposes... but what i dont get is protection from what? another gun? i find it insane the US even has such a thing as a gun shop. its crazy.

Agreed on every point.

Dimm: When someone plans to kill, even if they are insane, it's not like they'll just go out and do it. They'll plan and play out the scenario in their head over and over again before they act it out. When it comes to crunch time, and they need to take the final steps before they act out their fantasy (such as gathering equipment, i.e. guns) they may find that they simply can't go through with the trouble, because that and the stress from the rest of their planning (and the acknowledgement that they are going to kill someone) will overwhelm them, and there's a chance, however small, that they will get the help they need in time.
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As much as I hate hate hate guns and don't understand the desire to aquire one, I don't believe in outlawing them. I'm not even for really strict gun control, the libertarian in me won't allow it. I am for having to aquire a license before you're allowed to purchase a gun though. If we need a license to drive a car, it seems like you'd want to maintain that with assault weapons.

If someone really wants to kill someone, they'll do it, I agree.

But if I could count all the crimes of passion that involved a household gun that was originally put there strictly for safety reasons...well, that's where my main train of thought goes to.
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ēnērgy
May 16 2007, 02:25 AM
What do you think of the gun laws in the US?

I am on the side that, if there was less gun control, for example VTU outlawing CCW on campus, that people in the campus with permits could have been armed and shot the attacker.

That's, to be frank, insane. Giving college kids guns when a good amount of them try drinking and drugs while at college. More guns won't solve anything. More guns make more death, in nearly all instances.

I don't believe in anyone owning a gun, save for the military. However, such is life, and the gun law is helping where it can. I see no problem with it.

Yesterday on some news website, aim.com I think, there was a report of an 18 month old child or so with a gun permit. <__<
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stevenbellos
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Read this about Baby gets gun permit:

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,21741163-1702,00.html

shows you that US has no control over guns and who gets them.
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May 17 2007, 07:37 AM
Read this about Baby gets gun permit:

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,21741163-1702,00.html

shows you that US has no control over guns and who gets them.

You're an idiot, anyone could get a permit, but not everyone can get a gun.
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More gun laws would lead to more crime. I like the use the drug analogy.

Are drugs illegal? Yes
Do some people still get drugs? Yes
Who doesnt get drugs? Law abbiding citizens
So did making drugs illegal really effect anyone other than law abbiding citizens? No

The same concept would occur on guns. If someone can into a store and they were the only one with a gun, clearly they will get whatever they want. But, if 2 other good, law abbiding citizens, also had guns, the criminal would get nothing, except shot.

Gun laws do not effect those causing crimes, only those having the crime commited agianst them.


Go to this site and search for your state and see how many armed citizens saved their own lives by having and knowing how to use a gun.
http://www.nraila.org/ArmedCitizen/Default.aspx
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I find it interesting that several of you were in the abortion threads, claiming that life is sacred and should not be ended, and yet here you are, condoning loose gun laws and the shooting of criminals. Bit on the hypocritical side, don't you think?
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May 18 2007, 12:52 PM
Gun laws do not effect those causing crimes, only those having the crime commited agianst them.

I have a real problem with this statement and most of the logic in your argument. Not all fun casualties are because of criminals. A good number of them are used by people who bought a gun only for protection but ended up using it in the heat of passion against a spouse or neighbor. Having the gun lying around, while it offers the illusion of safety, is really very likely to be more of a danger than anything else. And what happens when someone is actually drunk in the household?

Having less guns in less households--while it wouldn't prevent pre-determined crimes--it could do a lot to stop heat of passion crimes, especially in the household.

The drug analogy is weak. I know plenty of people who are law-abiding citizens with the one exception of drug use.
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