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Hatred In Music
Topic Started: May 23 2007, 10:20 AM (762 Views)
Dynamik. (PM)
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What are your views on people expressing their hate through music? Such as satanic black metal, and nazi punk.

Personally I support it, as it is a good way to express hatred, rather than doing something that will harm others. And yes, I do enjoy that sort of music if you were wondering. Also, if that style of music was banned or something, just imagine what would happen. People burning churches, neo-nazi protests, maybe even the KKK again.

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I don't support it, I've seen first-hand how it can effect your mood. My best friend was having an awful time at school, and although he said that heavy, aggressive metal made him feel better, all it did was turn his sadness into rage and eventually he trashed his house.

The music in question (not naming a specific band since that'll just kick off another debate about what constitutes "good music" and we'll go off topic) had no rhythm or structure, just angry instrument smashing and screaming. This appealed to his negative emotions and overall changed him alot. He felt that the songwriters understood his feelings, when at the end of the day, this was not true. In fact, I could go far as to say they controlled his feelings. It's sad that he turned to his MP3 player instead of his best friend for help and support, but that's what he did and the result was anything but pretty.

However, I think it would be rediculous to have it banned. At the end of the day, people should be allowed to say what they want to say and if people want to listen then they can.

EDIT: One thing I'll pick you up on though: I don't think having it banned would make that mch of a difference. I don't think banning it would have such a dramatic effect as you described.
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hatred in music is an outlet for the musicians. it's up to the listeners to interpret it as they will.
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When one lets out their hate and anger in their music then is is apparent that that hate and anger is set in their mind so much that they go to the extent to write and sing about it. And if that someone has it set in their mind then who knows what else they will do to let out the anger and hate they have. I personally do not think that music should be used to express hate. I use a Christian point of view. I believe that God created everything and so we should use his creations to praise and glorify him. That means sound waves and music as well. So, if we have hate and anger then bring it to God. Don't profane his name by using his natural laws to sing about your own personal desires. Just let God deal with your rage.
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Dynamik.
May 23 2007, 02:20 PM
maybe even the KKK again.

The KKK never left, they are still around to this date.


Everyone has their own right to compose music with lyrics they feel like using. Some people take it over the top IMO, but i don't feel the need to tell them that they can't do that. There needs to be a balance in music and different variations in music or the music industry would just be plain boring.
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Brokenman
May 24 2007, 01:02 PM
Dynamik.
May 23 2007, 02:20 PM
maybe even the KKK again.

The KKK never left, they are still around to this date.


Everyone has their own right to compose music with lyrics they feel like using. Some people take it over the top IMO, but i don't feel the need to tell them that they can't do that. There needs to be a balance in music and different variations in music or the music industry would just be plain boring.

What is right?
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To speak freely and express their emotions. They can say whatever they want, whether it be racial or violant. I'm not saying i agree with this, but i do believe people should have to right to say what they want as long as they don't take action.
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If people hate any type of music, they should "shut it", and keep their thoughts about any type of music inside.
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Amasian
May 24 2007, 06:03 AM
Brokenman
May 24 2007, 01:02 PM
Dynamik.
May 23 2007, 02:20 PM
maybe even the KKK again.

The KKK never left, they are still around to this date.


Everyone has their own right to compose music with lyrics they feel like using. Some people take it over the top IMO, but i don't feel the need to tell them that they can't do that. There needs to be a balance in music and different variations in music or the music industry would just be plain boring.

What is right?

Usually the definition of "right" is declared by societal norms - norms that usually cannot be trusted.

Anyways, I don't have a secure opinion on hatred in music, however I do believe that creativity should not have limit.
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There are songs I outright loathe, ones that express degrading and derogative views that put down or belittle races, genders, creeds and the like; however I fully respect their right to express their viewpoints through the medium. I believe that music shouldn't be restricted by the conventions of an imposing society, no matter how much people might disagree with the lyrics or meaning behind a song. Certainly I sometimes think certain musicians are perhaps a little too trapped in their own warped world but that's their right; nobody can order you to view the world the same as them, can they?

I don't believe the problem, if there is one, lies in the music, rather the naivety of the listener. I connect with music, as do many, and what I listen to depends on my mood. If I'm sad I tend to go for either classical or something a little...well, sad. If I'm happy I go with upbeat tunes, and so on. The same can be said for my writing; it reflects how I feel and I like it that way. The trick is to understand the difference between listening to music that you can connect with and being absorbed by your emotions and plunged into a somewhat delusional state.

The beauty of music is that it inspires and contrary to some opinions, happy-go-lucky oh-so-yummy music isn't solely responsible for positive inspiration; in fact, music that focuses on other emotions (anger, hate, lust, confusion, etc.) can be rather productive and a good muse. It just takes some skill and a bit of wisdom to delve into the darkness without getting sucked in. Been doing it for as long as I can remember and it hasn't had an adverse effect on me.

As for freedom of expression; it's perfectly legal to picket funerals and walk around with placards that incite hatred towards people who are different, it's even acceptable for tabloids to essentially revolve around this, yet people complain when people decide to use this medium for far less offensive forms of expressionism?
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May 24 2007, 02:09 PM
If people hate any type of music, they should "shut it", and keep their thoughts about any type of music inside.

Wrong context, that would be hatred for/about music.
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Brokenman
May 24 2007, 01:09 PM
To speak freely and express their emotions. They can say whatever they want, whether it be racial or violant. I'm not saying i agree with this, but i do believe people should have to right to say what they want as long as they don't take action.

Who said that was right? Society says so. Society, however, cannot be trusted. People all have different opinions so that means the opinions that are made into laws are those of the most powerful. And the most powerful are not always "right." Right is not defined by humans. Humans cannot define absolutes and right and wrong are matters of absolutes.
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Nazi punk is shameful, it gives a bad name to skinheads. Thanks to those guys, most of the world see's skinheads as racist neo-nazis, which aren't true about the lot of them.
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May 24 2007, 10:32 PM
Nazi punk is shameful, it gives a bad name to skinheads. Thanks to those guys, most of the world see's skinheads as racist neo-nazis, which aren't true about the lot of them.

Actually its not the music that gives them the bad name. Its their actions that give them a bad name. Namely when you see them on video celebrating their hatred for blacks. You can't hardly hear the lyrics in those songs anyways.

I think music like that is particularly disgusting (that includes rap that focuses on blood, sex, and drugs). More like the perversion of an art form than anything else. But its freedom of speech. The downside to that right is that occaisionally morons/racist bigots feel the need to express their views.
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Amasian
May 24 2007, 12:27 PM
I use a Christian point of view. I believe that God created everything and so we should use his creations to praise and glorify him. That means sound waves and music as well.

So it is ok to allow some music to share its beleifs but not others?

It is either all ok or none of it is ok.

I'm not saying I agree with it, but it is called freedom of expression and they should have as much right to sing about what they believe as Christian Rock bands or other bands of that sort.
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