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Harry Potter
Topic Started: Jun 27 2007, 10:23 PM (2,130 Views)
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I used to be a fan of Harry Potter up until the fifth book. I just seemed to lose interest in it. :/

As far as the movies go, I don't like them much. The first two were okay, but I stopped watching because of Prisoner of Azkaban. The third book was my favorite and the movie for it was bad.
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Toucan
Jun 28 2007, 10:29 PM
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Jun 28 2007, 08:50 PM
Colin.
Jun 28 2007, 08:02 PM
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Jun 28 2007, 02:38 PM
I have a long theory of why Dumbledore is not dead.

To some it up into the most important points:

In the beginning of the Sixth book at Spinners End, Snape met with Bellatrix and Narcisa.  I challenge you all to go back and read that..... you will notice something.  Snape is way to polite.

Now, lets go to the end of the Sixth book where Snape uses Avada Kadava on Dumbledore.  If you reread it, you should notice that Dumbledore is shot backwords off the rower, not dropping dead instantly.  Could the real Snape possibly merged the Avada Kadava with Expeliarmus?

Finally, take a look at Dumbledores funeral.  What happened? He burst into flame.  Sound Like Somebody we know?

Besides the fact that indeed, he's dead, (see Nicola's link), there are some issues with that.

It's Bellatrix, who would indeed bring back any news of Snape being rude or denying the question to accept the Unbreakable Vow to Voldemort, who Snape appears to actually fear. Snape, like most Death Eaters would do anything to please the master. However, I feel this could be hinting towards something else, but I doubt the Unbreakable Vow is any work of the Crucio Curse if that's what you're implying.

Re-read the Unforgivable Curses chapter in Book 4, where Moody explains that you cannot actually kill someone with the Avada Kedavra curse unless you actually mean to, and have the full will. Snape probably didn't want to resort to murdering Voldemort, but he most likely values his own life, along with the respect of Voldemort over Dumbledore's. Or perhaps this death was needed in destroying Voldemort. I'm not being so bold as to say Dumbledore is a horcrux (as, he's not) but he was probably important in the role of defeating Voldemort, perhaps because Voldemort was only afraid of Dumbledore. You can't merge spells. =P At least not those ones.

He burst into flames as symbolism. Rebirth is only a phrase in this situation, and while we'd all love to think he's going to be born again like the phoenix, this is not so. Burning the tomb is a tradition in many cultures, and is just them honouring Dumbledore. Or perhaps so no one could get to his body. =r

I can't seem to recall how the tomb burst into flames. It just did. :huh:

it could be related to the way the Phoenix works, and JK was very vague on what she said in Nicola's link "Don't Expect Dumbledore to do a gandalf" is very vvague. There was probably a reason she didn't say "He's Dead."

I think this is accurate, and where I got my theory from :P

Thats not vague at all. The gods sent Gandalf back to middle earth because his task was not complete. Gandalf will not be returning to the world. It is still possible he could be represented in some other way (painting, animal...) but he will not be living and breathing in the flesh.
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JKR said in may interviews that Dumbledore is officially dead (as everyone has said), but she also stated that she will not deny the reappearance of him in different forms. Ex: Ghost, vision, dream, etc.
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Guys, Dumbledore is dead. There's no doubting, she's said it several times, he's dead. She's said it in many interviews that there's no way around it, he's dead.

But I am curious to find out why some people are ghosts and others aren't.
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I love it. The story line is amzing, and the movies are just as good as the books. I can't wait until the Harry potter Universal Theme Park opens! 2009
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Mir.
Jun 28 2007, 04:50 PM
Colin.
Jun 28 2007, 08:02 PM
Toucan
Jun 28 2007, 02:38 PM
I have a long theory of why Dumbledore is not dead.

To some it up into the most important points:

In the beginning of the Sixth book at Spinners End, Snape met with Bellatrix and Narcisa.  I challenge you all to go back and read that..... you will notice something.  Snape is way to polite.

Now, lets go to the end of the Sixth book where Snape uses Avada Kadava on Dumbledore.  If you reread it, you should notice that Dumbledore is shot backwords off the rower, not dropping dead instantly.  Could the real Snape possibly merged the Avada Kadava with Expeliarmus?

Finally, take a look at Dumbledores funeral.  What happened? He burst into flame.  Sound Like Somebody we know?

Besides the fact that indeed, he's dead, (see Nicola's link), there are some issues with that.

It's Bellatrix, who would indeed bring back any news of Snape being rude or denying the question to accept the Unbreakable Vow to Voldemort, who Snape appears to actually fear. Snape, like most Death Eaters would do anything to please the master. However, I feel this could be hinting towards something else, but I doubt the Unbreakable Vow is any work of the Crucio Curse if that's what you're implying.

Re-read the Unforgivable Curses chapter in Book 4, where Moody explains that you cannot actually kill someone with the Avada Kedavra curse unless you actually mean to, and have the full will. Snape probably didn't want to resort to murdering Voldemort, but he most likely values his own life, along with the respect of Voldemort over Dumbledore's. Or perhaps this death was needed in destroying Voldemort. I'm not being so bold as to say Dumbledore is a horcrux (as, he's not) but he was probably important in the role of defeating Voldemort, perhaps because Voldemort was only afraid of Dumbledore. You can't merge spells. =P At least not those ones.

He burst into flames as symbolism. Rebirth is only a phrase in this situation, and while we'd all love to think he's going to be born again like the phoenix, this is not so. Burning the tomb is a tradition in many cultures, and is just them honouring Dumbledore. Or perhaps so no one could get to his body. =r

I can't seem to recall how the tomb burst into flames. It just did. :huh:

If it were not planned, people would have been outraged, which they were not. It's clearly just a ceremonial purpose, but perhaps meaning something more to DD. Not rebirth more, just as what he would have wanted.

Toucan, I have read the link from your post and find it extremely creative and very much logical. I suggest you all read it and think about it, I love the detail.
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I want to know though, is why was Snape angry while killing Dumbledore. If he hated Dumbledore, wouldn't he be happy to kill him? This is why I think Dumbledore told Snape to kill him, or atleast there was some sort of agreement that Snape is to do whatever is necessary. I think that if Snape hated Dumbledore so much, he would have been laughing hysterically, or atleast be grinning, while killing him, not scowering(sp?).

http://www.beyondhogwarts.com/harry-potter...nape-clues.html it's the last theory, "Snape... Please..."
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Jun 29 2007, 04:27 AM
I want to know though, is why was Snape angry while killing Dumbledore. If he hated Dumbledore, wouldn't he be happy to kill him? This is why I think Dumbledore told Snape to kill him, or atleast there was some sort of agreement that Snape is to do whatever is necessary. I think that if Snape hated Dumbledore so much, he would have been laughing hysterically, or atleast be grinning, while killing him, not scowering(sp?).

http://www.beyondhogwarts.com/harry-potter...nape-clues.html it's the last theory, "Snape... Please..."

He dosen't hate dumbledore, he does in deed respect him. It just appears Voldemorts pull is more powerful over snape, and so he felt the need to do what Voldy told him to do over what Dumbledore told him to do.
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Jun 29 2007, 12:27 AM
I want to know though, is why was Snape angry while killing Dumbledore. If he hated Dumbledore, wouldn't he be happy to kill him? This is why I think Dumbledore told Snape to kill him, or atleast there was some sort of agreement that Snape is to do whatever is necessary. I think that if Snape hated Dumbledore so much, he would have been laughing hysterically, or atleast be grinning, while killing him, not scowering(sp?).

http://www.beyondhogwarts.com/harry-potter...nape-clues.html it's the last theory, "Snape... Please..."

Who's to say Snape hates Dumbledore? Perhaps occasionally annoyed, but not hate. And Dumbledore most likely says "Severus... please" as to beg Snape to kill him. If it were not the already plan, Dumbledore would want Snape to kill him over Draco, a student who Dumbledore wants to save.

This would make a lot of sense in the reasoning behind Snape and Dumbledore this entire book.
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I'm absolutely a Potter Fanatic, like many other fans out there, :)

As for the Snape being angry while killing Dumbledore...

My view on the topic is he's under the imperious curse... and his anger is a reaction to him trying to fight it... Of course it's just wishful thinking. JK wouldn't develop such a plot and have it end like that. Snape, Harry and the Order are all going to be crucial to the final battle in the last book...
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11th of july its the premiere in the Netherlands :D and im reaaaly going to see these :D
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Jun 28 2007, 03:35 PM
Snape had no choice but to kill Dumbledore. He had an unbreakable vow to Narcissa Malfoy.

Exactly, Snape had to kill Dumbledore or all would have been lost.

1. Dumbledore could have fought and won against Snape.
2. Dumbledore KNEW Snape had to do it.

And i dont think that DIATSSISE is the answer to the puzzle.
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Jun 28 2007, 03:35 PM
Snape had no choice but to kill Dumbledore. He had an unbreakable vow to Narcissa Malfoy.

Exactly, Snape had to kill Dumbledore or all would have been lost.

1. Dumbledore could have fought and won against Snape.
2. Dumbledore KNEW Snape had to do it.

And i dont think that DIATSSISE is the answer to the puzzle.

You'll change your mind when the book comes out. DIATSSISE is the answer.
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Jul 2 2007, 03:35 AM
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Jun 28 2007, 03:35 PM
Snape had no choice but to kill Dumbledore. He had an unbreakable vow to Narcissa Malfoy.

Exactly, Snape had to kill Dumbledore or all would have been lost.

1. Dumbledore could have fought and won against Snape.
2. Dumbledore KNEW Snape had to do it.

And i dont think that DIATSSISE is the answer to the puzzle.

You'll change your mind when the book comes out. DIATSSISE is the answer.

What is that? :huh:
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Jul 2 2007, 06:06 AM
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Jul 2 2007, 03:35 AM
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Jul 1 2007, 07:20 AM
Ganondorf718
Jun 28 2007, 03:35 PM
Snape had no choice but to kill Dumbledore. He had an unbreakable vow to Narcissa Malfoy.

Exactly, Snape had to kill Dumbledore or all would have been lost.

1. Dumbledore could have fought and won against Snape.
2. Dumbledore KNEW Snape had to do it.

And i dont think that DIATSSISE is the answer to the puzzle.

You'll change your mind when the book comes out. DIATSSISE is the answer.

What is that? :huh:

http://www.diatssise.com/
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